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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(131,766 posts)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:27 PM Nov 11

'Sold POTUS a bill of goods': White House furious with Pulte over 50-year mortgage

White House officials are furious with Bill Pulte, the Federal Housing Finance Agency director, who talked the president into suggesting a 50-year mortgage plan.

The White House was blindsided by the idea, according to two people familiar with the situation granted anonymity to discuss internal thinking, and is now dealing with a furious backlash from conservative allies, business leaders and lawmakers.

On Saturday evening, Pulte arrived at President Donald Trump’s Palm Beach Golf Club with a roughly 3-by-5 posterboard in hand. A graphic of former President Franklin Roosevelt appeared below “30-year mortgage” and one of Trump below “50-year mortgage.” The headline was “Great American Presidents.”

Roughly 10 minutes later, Trump posted the image to Truth Social, according to one of the people familiar, who was with the president at the time.

Almost immediately, aides were fielding angry phone calls from those who thought the idea – which would endorse a 50 year payback period for a mortgage – was both bad politics and bad policy, a move that could raise housing costs in the long run, the person said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-50-mortgage-plan-getting-224500273.html

If only you weren't so susceptible to those who kiss your oversized ass Donny.

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'Sold POTUS a bill of goods': White House furious with Pulte over 50-year mortgage (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 11 OP
It only takes them seconds to find someone to blame leftstreet Nov 11 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 11 #2
Why not a 75 year mortgage while we're at it durablend Nov 11 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 11 #12
Yep. Generational Debt is what it is. Brenda Nov 11 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 11 #22
Case proven. nt Brenda Nov 11 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 11 #24
yes DBoon Nov 11 #37
In any case, IQ47 would not deserve to be lauded as FDR-like for allowing that to happen AZJonnie Nov 11 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 11 #13
As were lower interest rates, extended loan terms, trial periods and principal reductions. Torchlight Nov 11 #25
That plan also reduced rates to as low as 2% and included principal forbearance. nt pnwmom Nov 11 #29
Technically, I believe lenders can offer 50 year mortgages, but they would be "non-qualified mortgages". Jim__ Nov 11 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 11 #18
The longer the mortgage, the closer it is to renting whopis01 Nov 11 #35
Not an argument against offering such mortgages, but some caveats. Ilikepurple Nov 11 #38
FDR didn't start the 30 year mortgage. Congress authorized it in 1948 for new construction, rsdsharp Nov 11 #3
Lenders would get smoked on 50 year mortgages bucolic_frolic Nov 11 #5
I'm seeing a lot of shoddy construction in Florida, a lot of the crap being built today won't last 50 years. sop Nov 11 #26
Someone posted on DU in the spring bucolic_frolic Nov 11 #28
Scam Thanksgiving dinner promos and now the 50 year mortgage. Baitball Blogger Nov 11 #6
This narrative is openly saying that Donnie is stupid & easily manipulated. He is, but it's amusing to see them admit it themaguffin Nov 11 #7
Pulte....Pulte...Pulte...now where have I heard that name before? hamsterjill Nov 11 #8
The current examples online: Paladin Nov 11 #9
Interesting Math There ProfessorGAC Nov 11 #14
No further detail. (nt) Paladin Nov 11 #16
Heard about the same on CNN. Totally Tunsie Nov 11 #32
Pulte isn't a friend. Isnt he the one who set up the 2 women (can't remember names) Srkdqltr Nov 11 #11
The majority of 30 year mortgages never go that far A HERETIC I AM Nov 11 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Nov 11 #19
The concept of a fifty-year mortgage isn't a new one, the idea has been around for a long time. SWBTATTReg Nov 11 #21
why aren't Dems running ads with that 50 year mortgage idea? BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 11 #27
It's always been said that Dozing Donnie always listens to the last person in the room. Totally Tunsie Nov 11 #30
Pulte? the house builder pulte ? That fkg puke ? Fullduplexxx Nov 11 #31
WH admits Trump has no critical skills C_U_L8R Nov 11 #33
I can't Rebl2 Nov 11 #34
Lennar OC375 Nov 11 #36

leftstreet

(38,620 posts)
1. It only takes them seconds to find someone to blame
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:31 PM
Nov 11

Who's in charge of keeping Trump from posting dumb shit? Blame them

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Response to durablend (Reply #4)

Brenda

(1,915 posts)
20. Yep. Generational Debt is what it is.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:30 PM
Nov 11

Instead of inheriting a home, folks will inherit a huge debt burden.

How anyone on DU could defend this shows how out of touch with the real world many people have become.

Response to Brenda (Reply #20)

Response to Brenda (Reply #23)

DBoon

(24,588 posts)
37. yes
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:55 PM
Nov 11

a lender will not finance a mortgage unless they are sure the property value will satisfy the outstanding debt over the life of the loan

The reverse situation - a $1,000,000 mortgage on a $300,000 value home - would not occur, absent serious incompetence on the part of the lender.

AZJonnie

(2,501 posts)
10. In any case, IQ47 would not deserve to be lauded as FDR-like for allowing that to happen
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:50 PM
Nov 11

The idea has probably been bounced around for decades if I were to hazard a guess.

Response to AZJonnie (Reply #10)

Torchlight

(6,205 posts)
25. As were lower interest rates, extended loan terms, trial periods and principal reductions.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:03 PM
Nov 11

which are not covered at all by Mr trump's current chaos. But of little import now to a program discontinued in 2016.

Jim__

(15,035 posts)
15. Technically, I believe lenders can offer 50 year mortgages, but they would be "non-qualified mortgages".
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:17 PM
Nov 11

From Google AI:

While some niche lenders may theoretically offer 50-year mortgages as "non-qualified mortgages," they are not widely available in the U.S. today, and mainstream lenders generally do not offer this product.

This is primarily because current federal law, specifically the Qualified Mortgage (QM) rule under the Dodd-Frank Act, defines a qualified mortgage as having a term no longer than 30 years. Mortgages that exceed this term cannot be sold to the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which essentially underpins the U.S. secondary mortgage market.

...


So the question is should the government back 50 year mortgages.

Stephanie Ruhle had a good discussion on this. The main problem with affordable housing is supply. 50 year mortgages might bring more buyers into the pool, but unless there is an increase in the supply of affordable housing, this will raise the cost. It's the supply issue that needs to be addressed.

Response to Jim__ (Reply #15)

whopis01

(3,901 posts)
35. The longer the mortgage, the closer it is to renting
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:51 PM
Nov 11

But renting without the benefits and protections that a normal renter would have.

It really comes down to protecting people from their own lack of understanding.
I understand one could make an argument that just having the option doesn't force anyone to take it. However, given the benefit to the lender in these cases, I would imagine that it is very likely they would market it heavily in a way that distracted from the downsides and attempted to get people to sign up for them.

The reduction in monthly payment with longer terms diminishes very quickly. The amount of interest paid increases very quickly.

For example, take a $400,000 loan at 6%.

With a 15 year mortgage you would pay $3,375/month and a total of $207,000 in interest.
With a 30 year mortgage you would pay $2,400/month and a total of $463,000 in interest.
With a 50 year mortgage you would pay $2,100/month and a total of $860,000 in interest.
With a 100 year mortgage you would pay $2,005/month and a total of $2,000,000 in interest.
With a 200 year mortgage you would pay $2,000/month and a total of $4,400,000 in interest.

(I realize that 100 and 200 year mortgages are not being discussed - I am just included them to show the mathematical pattern)

The longer term the mortgage the (significantly) greater percentage of your monthly is going to interest rather than principle. One of the key advantages of buying vs renting is that a portion of what you pay every month remains your asset. Longer terms reduce that.

Again - I understand the argument that we should follow "buyer beware" and it is the responsibility of the buyer to do what is in their own best interest. But I also know what the corporations will do everything they can to extract as much money out of the buyer as possible.








Ilikepurple

(420 posts)
38. Not an argument against offering such mortgages, but some caveats.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:08 PM
Nov 11

Comparing 30 to 50 year mortgages at the same rate is disingenuous. Lenders tend to charge higher rates for longer terms to even the $200 plus monthly extra purchasing power I’ve seen in recent is inflated under most circumstances. A portion of that extra purchasing power will also inflate home values to a degree. This will further impact its positive effects on making homes ownership more affordable. The rent vs home ownership argument only works in markets where average rent is not substantially lower than the mortgage payment of the average home. A fifty year mortgage is probably two roofs, 4 water heaters, 2-4 hvac/heating solutions and many other repairs. Unless, you bank on ever increasing real estate values, many won’t have the equity to refi or get a home equity loan for these repairs and maintenance because amount that goes to principal is so small for the first 30 years. I think many would be surprised how little principal is being paid at the beginning of most mortgages. This is only amplified by the 30 year term.
That being said there are also many pluses. Unless one refinances or takes out home equity loans, the monthly cost of shelter in today’s dollar will most likely go down every year of ownership. If housing prices boom or even increase at just the CPI rate, the owner will have further increased equity to dip into if needed. or wanted. Around retirement age if one cannot afford to maintain their mortgage payments, there’s always reverse mortgages, often predatory but sometimes the only way someone can continue to live in their home.

Again, I am overall in favor of offering the option, but I don’t really think it’s open the market by the degree its proponents think.

rsdsharp

(11,661 posts)
3. FDR didn't start the 30 year mortgage. Congress authorized it in 1948 for new construction,
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:39 PM
Nov 11

and in 1954 for existing houses. It didn’t become standard until the 1960s. My parents bought their house in 1953 (for $9500). They had a ten year mortgage.

bucolic_frolic

(53,566 posts)
5. Lenders would get smoked on 50 year mortgages
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:42 PM
Nov 11

Do-nothing occupancy will result in old age and deceased foreclosures of dry-rotted, moldy wrecks. Old people defer maintenance because they can't afford it or can't be bothered. Children just want to cash out what's left. It's a demolition derby for banks and mortgage bagholders.

sop

(17,123 posts)
26. I'm seeing a lot of shoddy construction in Florida, a lot of the crap being built today won't last 50 years.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:08 PM
Nov 11

bucolic_frolic

(53,566 posts)
28. Someone posted on DU in the spring
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:21 PM
Nov 11

about chipboard and glue houses. The actual lumber is farm-raised timber and has large growth rings but lacks the strength of natural forest trees. He thought glue would last 20 years, and it's been this way since 2009. For what it's worth.

Baitball Blogger

(51,574 posts)
6. Scam Thanksgiving dinner promos and now the 50 year mortgage.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:44 PM
Nov 11

Listen, if Trump isn't brilliant enough to understand a small scam, imagine what he's doing with the crypto and bitcoin bullshit.

themaguffin

(4,881 posts)
7. This narrative is openly saying that Donnie is stupid & easily manipulated. He is, but it's amusing to see them admit it
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:44 PM
Nov 11

hamsterjill

(16,876 posts)
8. Pulte....Pulte...Pulte...now where have I heard that name before?
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:45 PM
Nov 11

Damn, you'd think that Pulte Homes (I believe the third largest homebuilder in the US) might benefit from some 50 year mortgages or something...

Who da thunk that!!!!

Paladin

(32,140 posts)
9. The current examples online:
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 01:48 PM
Nov 11

30-year mortgage on a $415,000 home: $734,000 total payments / $402,000 total interest

50-year mortgage on a $415,000 home: $1,800,000 total payments / $749,000 total interest

ProfessorGAC

(75,536 posts)
14. Interesting Math There
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:07 PM
Nov 11

$402k in interest against a principal of $415k does not add up to $734k.
The number can't include taxes & insurance, because the values would be even higher.
The second example doesn't add up either.
Was more detail provided?

Totally Tunsie

(11,483 posts)
32. Heard about the same on CNN.
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:32 PM
Nov 11

My post earlier today:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20795713

Reply to Liberal In Texas (Original post)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 12:39 PM

It was mentioned last night on CNN that a 50-year mortgage
could lower a borrower's monthly payment by $200. YAY!

Wonderful, eh?

HOWEVER...
By extending a 30-year mortgage out to 50 years, it would add a projected $320,000 to the amount to be repaid! And yet, you can be sure that there will be bozos out there that won't put pencil to paper to learn the Facts, Man, Facts. Just like any other Dozing Donnie plan, the only ones it helps are the big banks/big business.

DD never does anything to help the "little guy"

Srkdqltr

(9,212 posts)
11. Pulte isn't a friend. Isnt he the one who set up the 2 women (can't remember names)
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:01 PM
Nov 11

Who were prosecuted because they had mortgage irregularities, supposedly,, ?? That case went bust in court?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,840 posts)
17. The majority of 30 year mortgages never go that far
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 02:23 PM
Nov 11

I'm no fan of this 50 year idea, but it bears noting that the overwhelming majority of 30 year notes do not go to maturity. Houses get sold or re-financed long before the last payment is made in most cases.

Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #17)

Rebl2

(17,262 posts)
34. I can't
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:48 PM
Nov 11

imagine the amount of interest you would pay over the lifetime of a 50 year loan. No thanks.

OC375

(370 posts)
36. Lennar
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 04:54 PM
Nov 11

We almost bought a Lennar house in 2022. I seriously doubt that home will be standing in 40 years, let alone 50. Every aspect of it, save a very few skilled trades who did a few things, were done completely wrong - first semester shop class wrong. And that's a $500,000 new home in a major metro blue state.

We need more quality homes built that 5 and bottom 6 figure incomes can reasonably compete to buy. Period. We don't need more options to allow people stretched thin to stretch thinner to compete for the few that are available, driving the cost up and volume down further.

I suspect there will eventually be a government somethingorother to incentivize building these. I expect them to be the same crap we passed on in 2022 in the frevor to show results.

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