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AOC: "I thought that fascist takeover attempts were going to be architected by evil geniuses... (Original Post) In It to Win It Tuesday OP
Those words deserve to end up on a plaque somewhere ... perhaps a monument to all the lives/careers ruined by Turnip. nt eppur_se_muova Tuesday #1
The clincher being B.See Tuesday #2
she's right--it's not all about the smarts NJCher Tuesday #3
Americans lived with democracy for 250 years and still gave it up without a fight. Irish_Dem Tuesday #5
It's only over NJCher Tuesday #6
Many of us have watched all institutions fold like lawn chairs. Irish_Dem Tuesday #7
crx NJCher Tuesday #8
I never thought fascism would be so stooge like either SomedayKindaLove Tuesday #4

eppur_se_muova

(40,293 posts)
1. Those words deserve to end up on a plaque somewhere ... perhaps a monument to all the lives/careers ruined by Turnip. nt
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 01:52 AM
Tuesday

B.See

(6,963 posts)
2. The clincher being
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 01:57 AM
Tuesday

the unfathomable Idiocracy (IF not outright treachery) of those who ENABLED it.

NJCher

(41,693 posts)
3. she's right--it's not all about the smarts
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 02:31 AM
Tuesday

There are so many other traits and characteristics that are necessary to maintain a democracy--not just IQ level. Lack of courage, I think, is the big one. What we've seen since January is that so many people and entities have buckled under without a fight. Law firms, corporations, and individuals. There is a lack of courage and an unwillingness to duke it out.

The personality traits and skills that enable courage are rare. They are confidence and public speaking ability, among others. Public speaking is the number one fear of Americans, so that tells you something right there.

In a way you'd have to say a certain degree of financial independence is a factor. You have to be able to say "take this job and shove it." This doesn't mean you have to be rich or well off. It could mean you have another wage-earner in the family who might support you while you land a new job.

OTOH, you'd have to be stupid to try a takeover. I've thought about what it would take and what stops me every single time is that Americans are trained to have freedom. They don't like it when their freedom is threatened and they will work against you. This means you would have to keep fighting back for at least a generation, and that's a high price to pay.

I used to work for a professor of Russian history and she told me the reason the Russians can never make a go of democracy is they've never sustained it long enough to mold a generation of people who know how to use it, to live it, to promote and protect it.

Irish_Dem

(76,126 posts)
7. Many of us have watched all institutions fold like lawn chairs.
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 03:23 PM
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Without a fight, just handed all power to Trump.

Facts are facts whether we like them or not.
That is my training.
Not wishful thinking.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,151 posts)
4. I never thought fascism would be so stooge like either
Tue Oct 7, 2025, 03:14 AM
Tuesday

My worry is it is like The Grand Budapest Hotel. The Nazis stopping the train at the beginning of the movie were incompetent and inept. The Nazis stopping the same train several years later? Not so much.

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