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"Remember that active duty soldiers can't tell you if they hate the President" (Original Post) orangecrush Oct 4 OP
Retired military will tell you what active duty are thinking and feeling. Irish_Dem Oct 4 #1
I enjoy her videos orangecrush Oct 4 #3
Yes what she is saying is correct. Irish_Dem Oct 4 #4
Thanks orangecrush Oct 4 #5
If they obey illegal orders TommyT139 Oct 4 #2
It's not only no excuse, it's a court martial offense. mucholderthandirt Oct 5 #7
It is ... TommyT139 Oct 5 #9
They can't be in uniform, or putting out that they represent the military. mucholderthandirt Oct 5 #6
Thanks orangecrush Oct 5 #8

Irish_Dem

(76,245 posts)
1. Retired military will tell you what active duty are thinking and feeling.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 05:34 PM
Oct 4

It has always been this way.
Active duty cannot speak out.

Listen to retired officers and NCOs.

Irish_Dem

(76,245 posts)
4. Yes what she is saying is correct.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 07:54 PM
Oct 4

-The US military is more mixed in viewpoints than people realize.
-Sophisticated, highly technical warfare cannot be waged with only MAGA morons.
-Active Duty cannot speak out.
-Retired military can speak out so listen to them.

TommyT139

(1,999 posts)
2. If they obey illegal orders
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 06:57 PM
Oct 4

...and are "at war" with Americans, it doesn't matter if they hate the president. "Just obeying orders" is no excuse.

mucholderthandirt

(1,690 posts)
7. It's not only no excuse, it's a court martial offense.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:12 AM
Oct 5

We are only obligate by oath and the UCMJ to obey lawful orders, meaning legal stuff and what's in the Constitution.

TommyT139

(1,999 posts)
9. It is ...
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 01:32 PM
Oct 5

...except the UCMJ has already been captured and corrupted. So that "guardrail" no longer exists.

Or are there other structures still in place that can restore legitimacy?

mucholderthandirt

(1,690 posts)
6. They can't be in uniform, or putting out that they represent the military.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:11 AM
Oct 5

But rights to free speech remain, as we were told way back in 1978, when people asked if they could participate in some local things that were anti-military (if memory serves). Yes, it seems crazy, military protesting military, but it's allowed as a private citizen.

We gave up no rights when we enlisted. There are rules about decorum, but they are specific. I no longer can cite the UCMJ, but it was in there.

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