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lostincalifornia

(4,690 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:34 PM Oct 3

So Hamas has agreed to release all the hostages, and it is almost

certain that trump will not only get credit for it, but the MSM will push that theme to the limit.

The damage that Hamas did with the October 7 massacre to our Democracy, with the help of the protesters and those who refused to vote for Harris, will be with us for decades.

I hope I am wrong, and I could be. Remember the George H Bush invasion of Iraq, the first gulf war? I suspect many thought that a second term for HW bush was inevitable. That didn’t quite work out.

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So Hamas has agreed to release all the hostages, and it is almost (Original Post) lostincalifornia Oct 3 OP
Let's see if Bibi abides by any part of the one sided "agreement" underpants Oct 3 #1
I don't think Hamas will. They were given a deadline of Sunday lostincalifornia Oct 3 #2
I wouldn't get your hopes up that will happen Arazi Oct 3 #3
It isn't what I hope, it is what Hamas said they would do, and with lostincalifornia Oct 3 #5
They won't ever agree to disarm Arazi Oct 3 #7
There is no agreement yet. Hamas is playing him. nt SunSeeker Oct 3 #4
And just how are they doing that? The deadline given was Sunday. What do you lostincalifornia Oct 3 #8
By agreeing to only the things they've always agreed to. So much for Trump's red line. SunSeeker Oct 3 #20
Thanks for the update, and you are right to include the MSM as being played also, which is no lostincalifornia Oct 4 #21
Who cares if Trump gets credit for this Bluestocking Oct 3 #6
Of course you are right, but the damage caused by what happened October 7 to our lostincalifornia Oct 3 #10
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. QueerDuck Oct 3 #9
I am not counting anything, it is what Hamas said. lostincalifornia Oct 3 #12
I understand. It's easy to be hopeful... QueerDuck Oct 3 #15
Hey, Asshole. You may get your Trump Gaza, usonian Oct 3 #11
Hamas may actually release them. Xolodno Oct 3 #13
To the extent there is any actual "accomplishment where someone deserves credit" AZJonnie Oct 3 #14
As far as public opinion is concerned I cant imagine this having a lasting impact SSJVegeta Oct 3 #16
One would think so. lostincalifornia Oct 3 #17
As long as our basic institutions stay in tact -to any degree, public opinion will likely SSJVegeta Oct 3 #18
Hope they release them. Johnny2X2X Oct 3 #19
When I SEE peace, I'll believe it.... Jack Valentino Oct 4 #22
I predict they get the hostages out and then the place is leveled for the golf resort. Vinca Oct 4 #23

underpants

(193,439 posts)
1. Let's see if Bibi abides by any part of the one sided "agreement"
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:37 PM
Oct 3

or at least to what degree?

Let’s see how much Hamas slow crawls this.

lostincalifornia

(4,690 posts)
2. I don't think Hamas will. They were given a deadline of Sunday
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:41 PM
Oct 3

They have no leverage anymore since majority Arab states got behind it.

Arazi

(8,426 posts)
3. I wouldn't get your hopes up that will happen
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:41 PM
Oct 3

In fact, my presumption is zero hostages are released in the next 72 hours (as demanded) and Bibi just speeds up his ethnic cleansing

lostincalifornia

(4,690 posts)
5. It isn't what I hope, it is what Hamas said they would do, and with
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:44 PM
Oct 3

The backing of major neighboring Arab countries.

Arazi

(8,426 posts)
7. They won't ever agree to disarm
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:48 PM
Oct 3

There’s other provisions I’m sure they’ll never agree to either but that one is sure to kill this deal pronto

lostincalifornia

(4,690 posts)
8. And just how are they doing that? The deadline given was Sunday. What do you
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:49 PM
Oct 3

think would happen if the hostages weren’t released?

It also has the backing of major Arab countries.

They know what will happen if they don’t, and since it was Hamas who said it, I suspect it will happen. They have no other cards to play.

SunSeeker

(56,894 posts)
20. By agreeing to only the things they've always agreed to. So much for Trump's red line.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:38 PM
Oct 3
Earlier Friday, Trump had said if Hamas hasn’t agreed to the proposal by 6 p.m. ET on Sunday, “all HELL, like no one has ever seen before, will break out.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/03/politics/trump-hamas-deadline-gaza-deal

Well, Hamas hasn't agreed to the proposal. There is no peace agreement.

We got nothing new. Hamas has always agreed to these parts of our proposals, i.e., releasing the hostages if certain conditions are met. Hamas rejected the parts it always rejects. It refused to disarm/surrender and refused to give up a governing role in Gaza, both key requirements of Netanyahu.

And, Hamas has previously agreed to release the hostages as part of a ceasefire agreement, yet gone back on its word. So any conditional promise by Hamas to release hostages isn't worth much.

Trump is being played by Hamas (they got him to back off his Sunday deadline to accept the deal, with no new deadline) and Netanyahu (who continues to get full monentary & weapons support while clearing out Palestinians from Gaza City). And the MSM is being played by Trump. The MSM continues to be Trump's propaganda stenographer.

lostincalifornia

(4,690 posts)
21. Thanks for the update, and you are right to include the MSM as being played also, which is no
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 07:23 AM
Oct 4

surprise. trump has been playing most of the MSM for sometime now, and like dominos they have been carrying the water for him.

lostincalifornia

(4,690 posts)
10. Of course you are right, but the damage caused by what happened October 7 to our
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:51 PM
Oct 3

democracy will be with us for a long time I suspect.

Xolodno

(7,198 posts)
13. Hamas may actually release them.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:12 PM
Oct 3

I read today they were fighting with another clan in Gaza. They are in trouble and know it.

And of course Trump will bitch and moan, domestic policy always takes priority over foreign policy. And he's definately screwing that up. People want jobs, food on the table, roof over thier heads and opportunities. Thus far, he's doing the opposite. Putin is still popular in Russia because he knows that if the populace is happy, they'll go along with whatever he wants to do outside of their borders. H. Bush didn't realize that and was easily beat by a no name governor from a small state because he understood this. Droping a ton on money on Argentina isn't going to do you any favors.

Bibi is going to have to make a hard decision, does he allow Hamas to survive quietly and nuetered. Or risk a civil war in Gaza in which the PA will no doubt regain control? He totally miscalculated by making sure the two were in opposition with turning a blind eye to Hamas.

AZJonnie

(1,837 posts)
14. To the extent there is any actual "accomplishment where someone deserves credit"
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:13 PM
Oct 3

I'm pretty sure it would belong to the Israeli military who relentless bombed and attacked and starved the territory into oblivion, killing 100's of 1000's of people. At this Israel simply are the victors of the war, because Hamas can no longer go on fighting.

Effectively all IQ47 really did is send weapons and tell Bibi that the USA doesn't care what atrocities you want to commit in order to win.

And I'm sure as shit he didn't write a single word of the "deal" himself.

SSJVegeta

(1,703 posts)
16. As far as public opinion is concerned I cant imagine this having a lasting impact
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:45 PM
Oct 3

Theres far more suffering that is and will occur intentionally because of him that no amount of foreign affairs or ignoring the epstein files could make up for.

SSJVegeta

(1,703 posts)
18. As long as our basic institutions stay in tact -to any degree, public opinion will likely
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:51 PM
Oct 3

Be proportional -to some degree, with whatever is happening.

Johnny2X2X

(23,481 posts)
19. Hope they release them.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:59 PM
Oct 3

But it won’t save anyone in Gaza. Gaza’s fate was sealed almost a year ago.

Jack Valentino

(3,558 posts)
22. When I SEE peace, I'll believe it....
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 07:28 AM
Oct 4

but there's a LONG way to go before it is a fact.

Trump deserves credit for FINALLY trying to do something about this,
as well as condemnation for waiting SO FUCKING LONG to do it.

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