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BeneteauBum

(254 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:40 PM Oct 3

We are not safe in our own homes

Our local officials whom we depend on to keep our communities functional and safe apparently are unable to deter the unconstitutional detention/imprisonment of American citizens. It has been shown that Justice Kavanaugh’s assertion that detention is immediately terminated upon proof of citizenship and absence of an arrest warrant is just another deflection of our constitutional rights.

As a 74 year old white male born and raised in Florida (not that I considered that to be a privilege), I feel that I shouldn’t have to produce my ‘papers’ on demand. Apparently in today’s society, taking a walk around the block without identification is risking zip restraints followed by indeterminate detention. This state of kakistocracy has to end SOON.

Show me your papers old man. Seig Heil!

Peace ☮️

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We are not safe in our own homes (Original Post) BeneteauBum Oct 3 OP
Apparently in today's society, taking a walk around the block without identification is risking zip restraints ... usonian Oct 3 #1
This raid is scary LetMyPeopleVote Oct 3 #2
A hail of bullets before Christmas????? BurnDoubt Oct 3 #3
American cities are not safe from terrorist criminal gangs Martin Eden Oct 3 #4
ICEstapo. There I fixed it. n/t aggiesal Oct 3 #8
ICEholes tblue37 Oct 4 #25
The new salute is Trump Heil Nasruddin Oct 3 #5
Thanks Kavanaugh. Lying fascist asshole. GoodRaisin Oct 3 #6
I've been saying that since the beginning ... aggiesal Oct 3 #7
...and I hope they honor your passport card. bsiebs Oct 3 #11
I would think, that they have to. It was issued by the State Department with my real Passport. ... aggiesal Oct 3 #13
I also have a passport card... bsiebs Oct 3 #18
ICEstapo. There, I fixed it. n/t aggiesal Oct 3 #19
Thanks! bsiebs Oct 3 #20
Scary as hell, my friend. Be safe. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #35
Pure & simple, this violence against people will keep getting worse until somebody drops some ICE monsters Attilatheblond Oct 3 #9
Then, I hope we are ready. OldBaldy1701E Oct 4 #28
Calling the boy rapist Kavanaugh "Justice" is absurd. NNadir Oct 3 #10
A fratbro. As a coed I ran into a few Kavs. Animals, all. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #36
It not only has to stop. spudspud Oct 3 #12
And the PEOPLE need to know how many of these goons were convicted of J-6 crimes, then pardoned by Trump Attilatheblond Oct 3 #22
Seconded! /nt spudspud Oct 3 #23
Lock them timms139 Oct 4 #24
Its like none of them slightlv Oct 4 #26
"Some things can only be learned from the consequences of the action." OldBaldy1701E Oct 4 #29
I had a taste of the modern version many years ago... slightlv Oct 4 #34
As a mother I feel for you. I hope you find some peace. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #37
Yep. OldBaldy1701E Oct 5 #40
The day will come... lame54 Oct 3 #14
I live on a 32' Beneteau sloop. BeneteauBum Oct 3 #15
1939 Germany revisited. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #38
The ICEabteilung has been set loose. Another Jackalope Oct 3 #16
What is coming liberalgunwilltravel Oct 3 #17
FoxNews didn't help. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #39
I guess I was naive to think it wouldn't get this far but now I know how it will end jgmiller Oct 3 #21
Letter to the editor WmChris Oct 4 #27
Yup, straight from the Nazi playbook. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #30
Even with my drivers license and passport, I highly anticipate that no_hypocrisy Oct 4 #31
I do truly hope not. Joinfortmill Oct 4 #33
They're not even pretending the Constitution is still in effect. We have to stop Trump! Jim__ Oct 4 #32

usonian

(21,539 posts)
1. Apparently in today's society, taking a walk around the block without identification is risking zip restraints ...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:47 PM
Oct 3

You are (we are) almost Black now.
Black Americans are just plain shot and killed for doing so.

White privilege? not much, but beats being summarily executed.

aggiesal

(10,403 posts)
7. I've been saying that since the beginning ...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:22 PM
Oct 3

I'm Latino (Papeles por favor). We Latinos are guilty until proven innocent.
I now carry my Passport Card with me whenever I leave my house.
I never had to do this in my lifetime.

How free is that?

aggiesal

(10,403 posts)
13. I would think, that they have to. It was issued by the State Department with my real Passport. ...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:08 PM
Oct 3

The Passport card is only used to enter the U.S. from Mexico or Canada. Entering from any other country requires the real Passport.
Since I live 7 miles from the Mexican border, it's very handy so that I don't have to carry my real Passport into Mexico.

Anyone with a real Passport can request it.
I recommend getting one.

bsiebs

(885 posts)
18. I also have a passport card...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:37 PM
Oct 3

.. I’m in Los Angeles and am an older white guy, so probably not going to be “carded” by ICE. I just don’t trust them to follow the law. I bleed for my Latino brothers and sisters…stay safe.. we need to all fight to end this nightmare.

Attilatheblond

(7,504 posts)
9. Pure & simple, this violence against people will keep getting worse until somebody drops some ICE monsters
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:26 PM
Oct 3

Then Trump has his excuse to flatten us all. It won't stop until the Miller/Theil mob is removed from power.

spudspud

(619 posts)
12. It not only has to stop.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:53 PM
Oct 3

But Democratic leadership needs to make sure that there are legal repercussions for all these Brown shirts. You can't keep giving evil a pass every time, just to "go along to get along." They'll just come back worse everytime.

Attilatheblond

(7,504 posts)
22. And the PEOPLE need to know how many of these goons were convicted of J-6 crimes, then pardoned by Trump
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:36 PM
Oct 3

The most dangerous criminal gang in the US is the one Trump unleashed and pays lavishly from OUR treasury.

slightlv

(6,785 posts)
26. Its like none of them
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 02:36 AM
Oct 4

were ever school age kids. Nor are they 'parenting' without child abuse.

Parents, especially know the routine by their kids. The kids think they are master manipulators... when actually the parents can see right thru everything... but just not knowing how to effectively deal with it.

I know if I'd acted up as a kid, I'd have gotten a whipping from my mom while she was screaming bloody murder at me... followed with the admonition to 'just wait until your dad gets home.'

I was a good kid... well mannered, intelligent, and book smart. The 'dad' threat never materialized; my dad would say something to me followed my something funny and we'd both sit there and laugh. THAT would tick my mom even more!

Some things can only be learned from the consequences of the action. These magas are used to having trump bail them out, they don't think they'll ever have to pay the piper.

OldBaldy1701E

(9,331 posts)
29. "Some things can only be learned from the consequences of the action."
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:59 AM
Oct 4

Very true.

Of course, 'consequences' is a word that has all but lost any meaning these days. We could change this.

But...

slightlv

(6,785 posts)
34. I had a taste of the modern version many years ago...
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 02:24 PM
Oct 4

My daughter was an IUGR baby, and she had special problems associated with being growth retarded, specifically emotional and behavioral issues. This was before ADHD and ADD were recognized by doctors. I made connections from watching patterns of her behavior prior to and after her spending a weekend with her father (my ex). I kept her to a fairly strict low sugar diet, etc., for example and her behavior would improve during the two weeks she was with me. Immediately after spending time with my ex, her behavior would be off the scales again... so much so, she kept getting kicked out of schools... as in, kicked out of preschool... kicked out kindergarten, etc, etc., etc. It never really improved much. She was as narcissistic as trump, and tried to manipulate everyone around her, even to the most stupidest degree. For example, she was wrote on the school hallway billboard, "Aunt Lori is a bitch." (And Lori was, of course, my sister... her aunt). When confronted with this, she adamantly denied it, even when asked who else had an "Aunt Lori" at the school!

Anyway, I'd been trying for decades to get her to see the correspondence between actions and consequences, with little to no affect. I especially had no help from school authorities, mental health, or physicians in this. She dropped out of high school but I did manage to get her to enroll in GED classes and she passed them with such a high score she was offered a scholarship at the nearby Junior College. But she turned it down and seemed content to sit on her butt watching soap operas all day. I finally laid down the law once she turned 18 and told her she either had to get a job and pay half of the monthly bills, plus any she racked up on her own, if she wanted to continue living in our apartment, or she had to move out. Cause and effect. Action and Consequences. We talked over employment and school options for quite a while until I told her she should go talk to an Army Recruiter. While I went into the military straight out of high school, I was already plenty structured and had a handle on what I wanted to do with my life. Still, I thought the structure would provide her what obviously I'd not been able to give her as she grew up.

She talked to the Recruiter more than a few times and actually signed up. I was thrilled, thinking maybe she was going to be able to find a path that would work for her. Little did I know! I guess things were different because I signed up for the AF during the Viet Nam war. But when her time came to ship off, she flew the coup while I was being treated for a really bad case of flu that Dec. Never said "goodbye"; never said she'd made any other arrangements. I got up to run to the bathroom to throw up once again, and discovered she was just "gone"... Took me a few weeks to track her down but, thanks to being a Fido-Net BBS sysop who was somewhat well known, word got around and it was reported back to me where she'd gone. I figured there'd be a warrant or at least an AWOL slip with her name on it at the recruiting station, so I went to see. That's when the Recruiter told me they'd just "X'd" out her name on the contract. She reneged on a signed legal contract with the US Army and they just blew it off. I was flabbergasted, and I let the recruiter know how I felt about it. I'd spent 18 years trying to get her to understand there were always consequences to her actions and here he was, letting her walk on a legal contract like it was no big deal. SMDH! To this day, she's totally transactional to the core of her nature and is only concerned about others as far as they are of use to her. I'm now old, retired, on a very fixed income and can provide her with nothing she "needs", so I rarely ever see her... even tho she lives a mere 2 miles from my house. SMDH. I know I can lay a lot of this at the feet of the bad start she got in utero, but still... one would think (sigh). Consequences to her are what happen to anyone who happens to cross her or not live up to what she thinks she deserves. As a result, I have one grandchild living with me, one ran away from home a few years ago and is a mess, and the youngest is trying to move to the PNW; she'd kicked all of them out of the house because they were interfering with her new "love" interest.

There are a lot of things that could be taught through school that one ordinarily wouldn't think of in the form of curriculum, and I think critical thinking, especially as in surrounding actions and consequences... would go a lot farther than learning a bible verse each day!

/rant off.... sorry, but I had this in mind when I wrote that reply and some things just won't let you go! Actions/Consequences!

lame54

(38,633 posts)
14. The day will come...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:13 PM
Oct 3

When someone with a MAGA hat shows up to tell you to get out because your house is now theirs

BeneteauBum

(254 posts)
15. I live on a 32' Beneteau sloop.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:18 PM
Oct 3

If the eviction day ever arrives, I’ll open all the seacocks as I leave.
Peace ☮️

Another Jackalope

(128 posts)
16. The ICEabteilung has been set loose.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:20 PM
Oct 3

And the FBI is stepping up to the role of the Gestapo.

Good luck and good organizing from Canada.
17. What is coming
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:31 PM
Oct 3

Is rather than citizens presenting their papers they are going to start presenting their AR15s, Mini14s, Glocks, Sigs, Colts, S&Ws, Rugers, Ithicas, Remingtons, Barettas, Barretts, Savages, Brownings, Marlins, Springfield Armories, and whatever other weapon they can get their hands on. That's a sad reality as to where we are headed unless the coward Republicans in Congress and the courts stand up to the fascist. And that will lead to unnecessary deaths and suffering. And it's just what the Nazis want to happen. But once it does, there's no telling how things will end. How did we become such a stupid nation?

jgmiller

(655 posts)
21. I guess I was naive to think it wouldn't get this far but now I know how it will end
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:48 PM
Oct 3

Sadly it will end when he orders his goon squad or maybe a MAGA military commander to open fire on a large group of protestors who are white. when the GOP is becomes more afraid of the minions their monster has unleashed than the monster they supported they will turn on him but it will require the monster to injure and kill a lot of innocents and maybe over multiple incidents.

WmChris

(427 posts)
27. Letter to the editor
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 08:12 AM
Oct 4

If you don't mind, I'd like to plagiarize you change the description to match myself and submit it to my local newspaper.

no_hypocrisy

(53,430 posts)
31. Even with my drivers license and passport, I highly anticipate that
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 01:14 PM
Oct 4

ICE would take away my "papers" and take me into custody notwithstanding.

Joinfortmill

(19,202 posts)
33. I do truly hope not.
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 02:23 PM
Oct 4

Personally, I haven't run into ICE, but boy or boy, this old girl has no more fucks to give, so they can expect some attitude from me.

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