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gab13by13

(30,053 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 08:58 AM Oct 3

Krasnov Tries To Steal A Dwight Eisenhower Sword From Ike's Presidential Library

Krasnov wanted the sword to gift to King Charles. The head of the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library told Krasnov he was not authorized to give away a gifted sword.

The head of the library tried to find a replica sword for Krasnov but Krasnov was upset so he told the head of the library to quit or be fired.

The head of the library quit even though Krasnov had no authority to fire him.

In the end, Krasnov gave King Charles a replica sword.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/official-quits-after-dispute-over-trump-s-eisenhower-sword-gift-to-king-charles/ar-AA1NL5QJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=68dfc50d6fd7421a8e3bc7628f9b31f9&ei=15

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Krasnov Tries To Steal A Dwight Eisenhower Sword From Ike's Presidential Library (Original Post) gab13by13 Oct 3 OP
If Ike were still alive, he would decapitate Trump with the f--- sword. nt doc03 Oct 3 #1
I'd buy a ticket to see that live... or on Pay-per-View! QueerDuck Oct 3 #19
Then let the Traildogbob Oct 3 #32
I do believe that it is important to note that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, when he was alive and crazy like trump Escurumbele Oct 3 #40
If Trump really wanted to make America great again and lose 15 pounds of ugly fat... iscooterliberally Oct 3 #52
And still brain dead fuckers would vote for him. GreenWave Oct 3 #63
I'm sure he's be tempted soldierant Oct 3 #94
Of put it thru his heart. Oh wait. Rump has no heart. He is a vile, evil, violent POS. Trueblue1968 Oct 3 #97
Totally...utterly...OUT OF CONTROL NCDem47 Oct 3 #2
He wants EVERYTHING and with each thing he takes, the emptiness inside just grows Attilatheblond Oct 3 #10
I cannot overstate how real your reple title is. ms liberty Oct 3 #35
Yes, literally out of control because he's lost touch with reality William Seger Oct 3 #16
He's psycho, pukes need to rein this motherfucker in Blues Heron Oct 3 #3
And the magas call that normal?................... Lovie777 Oct 3 #4
Of course they think it normal, as he is God Emperor and everything is his for the taking at his slightest whim Celerity Oct 3 #6
The head of the library should not have resigned, people need to stop giving in to Trump's insane demands. sop Oct 3 #5
I believe he can still file a lawsuit and maybe get his job back FakeNoose Oct 3 #53
trump cares nothing about tradition and history... Wounded Bear Oct 3 #7
'Cause a guy who runs around in uniforms, and facing his last days really, really needs another sword. marble falls Oct 3 #8
If Krasnov doesn't get his way immediately, he throws a tantrum like a 2-year-old. MLWR Oct 3 #9
So whose bright idea was this? Did Charles indicate such? And how niyad Oct 3 #11
I suspect that Charles simply played to rump's malignant narcissism with flattery William Seger Oct 3 #18
That does not answer either question. niyad Oct 3 #38
Sorry, misplaced reply (nt) William Seger Oct 3 #56
Thank you. niyad Oct 3 #65
I read in another article earlier that it was Melania's idea and her that would not take no. Bev54 Oct 3 #37
Now where in the world would she come up with that? Nothing that has ever niyad Oct 3 #39
Oh you can bet she didn't know anything about it but someone put the bug in her ear Bev54 Oct 4 #101
King Charles would never have hinted at or requested such a thing. He's brighter & has 100% better manners... Hekate Oct 3 #74
What a fucking baby. He is out of control and is burning America to the ground in part due to his madness. Botany Oct 3 #12
Why does anyone give in to this chump? ECL213 Oct 3 #13
I don't get it either. NCDem47 Oct 3 #17
Because he is a bully and a mob boss and makes credible threats about ruining the lives of anyone... Hekate Oct 3 #78
We all should keep an eye on Ft. Knox popsdenver Oct 3 #14
I thought the same thing. Where does the 24K gold trump brags about come from? Paper Roses Oct 3 #36
A new style of Design....... popsdenver Oct 4 #103
I like Ike. multigraincracker Oct 3 #15
Who cares about Eisenhower angrychair Oct 3 #20
What liberalgunwilltravel Oct 3 #25
Ike also liberalgunwilltravel Oct 3 #26
Can you document that accusation? GiqueCee Oct 3 #34
100% angrychair Oct 3 #42
Correlation is not causation... GiqueCee Oct 3 #46
That is a lot of assumptions angrychair Oct 3 #48
That was more about a propaganda war between "godless communism" vs. capitalism than promoting rightwing christianity. sop Oct 3 #76
Sorry, it was about Christianity angrychair Oct 3 #89
only problem is SonOfNebanaube Oct 4 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author SonOfNebanaube Oct 4 #99
What are you on about?? Citations, evidence, if you would, please. niyad Oct 3 #41
This is not a secret or obscure angrychair Oct 3 #43
Then kindly cite the documentation. Simply saying that it exists does niyad Oct 3 #44
Not sure what you mean angrychair Oct 3 #47
And that alone is the source of your seething and ignorant animus? Do better. Hekate Oct 3 #79
It goes back as far as the Civil War liberalgunwilltravel Oct 3 #45
Yes he was angrychair Oct 3 #49
I respectfully, disagree liberalgunwilltravel Oct 3 #67
You are free to believe as you wish angrychair Oct 3 #70
It goes back a long way, perhaps further. The govt tried different iterations over the centuries... Hekate Oct 3 #81
To me, Dwight Eisenhower was the last good Republican president. Prof. Toru Tanaka Oct 3 #73
I agree completely. My first memory of him is "I Like Ike" but that's a shadow compared to my memory of ... Hekate Oct 3 #77
Who unleashed angrychair Oct 3 #91
What an incredibly ignorant statement Hekate Oct 3 #75
You're correct, of course... WarGamer Oct 3 #88
Continuing the theme of some of your past comments... BannonsLiver Oct 3 #96
Just saying the DU'er is correct... and the people attacking them are wrong. WarGamer Oct 4 #98
So now the Republicans are shitting on their very own former hero, Eisenhower Champp Oct 3 #21
When you are KING everything belongs to you by divine right. NoMoreRepugs Oct 3 #22
He should have "given" the sword to Trump liberalgunwilltravel Oct 3 #23
Ike was back when Republicans were honorable. Aristus Oct 3 #24
;-{) Goonch Oct 3 #27
Wish the Rebl2 Oct 3 #28
Under the National Archives. Historic NY Oct 3 #29
The George H. W. Bush library in College Station is partially open. TexasTowelie Oct 3 #30
Yes it is closed with the shutdown. MuseRider Oct 3 #61
Here it says he was ousted. MuseRider Oct 3 #69
Infantile behavior. mn9driver Oct 3 #31
Krasnov is the ultimate POS! flashman13 Oct 3 #33
Steal? Do you think presidents take things they own personally to give, as a diplomatic gift, to foreign dignitaries? Ms. Toad Oct 3 #50
What would you call it? gab13by13 Oct 3 #54
Agreed. If TSF is involved,it is always steal. Sneederbunk Oct 3 #55
He didn't have personal rights to the sword - Ms. Toad Oct 3 #59
Maybe I will try going to a bank teller gab13by13 Oct 3 #60
Do you really not understand that the gift is from the American people to the British people? Ms. Toad Oct 3 #62
Artifacts owned by the US government Buzz cook Oct 3 #64
Presidential libraries and their content belong to the American people. Ms. Toad Oct 3 #66
Thanks for the correction. Buzz cook Oct 3 #82
It will not belong to him - Ms. Toad Oct 3 #84
Trump giving away priceless objects STOLEN from the American people. Irish_Dem Oct 3 #51
I think of what Rummy said gab13by13 Oct 3 #57
Trump is moving priceless US artifacts to his secret warehouses. Irish_Dem Oct 3 #58
The director of the library has been ousted. MuseRider Oct 3 #68
unbelievable. He is truly sick & stupid. nt ecstatic Oct 3 #71
GASP! A criminal president commits a crime?! sakabatou Oct 3 #72
The King of England has enough fucking swords. maxsolomon Oct 3 #80
Odds are, Krasnov would've pocketed the original and gifted Charles a FAKE anyway. B.See Oct 3 #83
I'm surprised Krasnov didn't demand, "Off with his head!" nt Ilsa Oct 3 #85
Well I guess we know who he was gifting our classified documents to. Buddyzbuddy Oct 3 #86
MaddowBlog-The ridiculous reason Team Trump fired the director of the Eisenhower library LetMyPeopleVote Oct 3 #87
You sure this isn't the Onion Emile Oct 3 #90
Every day he reiterates what a fetid piece of shit he is. spanone Oct 3 #92
There is a lot of gold in Fort Knox and Krasnov has the keys Hassler Oct 3 #93
He is just a bucket of nuts. AllyCat Oct 3 #95
How long do we have to put up with this shithole? calimary Oct 4 #102

Traildogbob

(11,995 posts)
32. Then let the
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:11 AM
Oct 3

Mexican National women’s soccer team play a game with that ugly ass head against Canada’s women’s team.
How many minutes would that last before it would be a pile of hamberder?

Escurumbele

(3,930 posts)
40. I do believe that it is important to note that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, when he was alive and crazy like trump
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:49 AM
Oct 3

tried to do the same, twice. He tried to give away a sword of Simon Bolivar to a couple of World leaders, but he was not able to, someone with a better mind than Chavez stopped him, and like trump now, he was only able to give them replicas.

For those who may not know who Hugo Chavez was, he was a so called "socialist" who in reality was a dictator, he died of cancer, and the speculation is that he, and other thugs from his regime opened Simon Bolivar's grave, took some bones out, made tea, and they all drunk it. All those who drunk the tea have died of cancer.

Simon Bolivar liberated Venezuela from the Spaniards, he also liberated Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador and of course Venezuela, and he also helped with the liberation of Argentina, even though the credit has gone to Jose de San Martin, although Martin could not have been able to accomplish it without the help from Bolivar.

Why am I pointing this out? Because if one takes the time to analyze trump's moves to become a dictator, and compares the moves that Chavez made, you will find the parallelism, the use of the same methods which if trump and his minions are not stopped, the USA runs with the danger of becoming another Venezuela. IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!

So even stupidities like that of the sword he has copied from Chavez. He and Chavez are twins from different mothers, they both act/acted as if they owned the country, and they both serve a master, in Chavez case it was Fidel Castro, in trump's case is Putin.

That is why I tell some of my Venezuelan friends who think trump will end Maduro's regime, that it will not happen, Putin did not allow it in 2018, and won't allow it now. I hope that, for the Venezuelan people, that I am wrong. Chapter 9 of John Bolton's book "The Room Where it Happened", he talks about how Bolton was ready to bring Maduro down, but Putin gave the orders to trump to leave him alone, trump stopped Bolton, one of the reasons why trump is going after Bolton.

iscooterliberally

(3,135 posts)
52. If Trump really wanted to make America great again and lose 15 pounds of ugly fat...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:27 PM
Oct 3

...he should take that sword and cut his own head off.

Attilatheblond

(7,460 posts)
10. He wants EVERYTHING and with each thing he takes, the emptiness inside just grows
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:50 AM
Oct 3

It is decades past time when somebody needs to tell the brat that NO in a complete sentence and means NO.

ms liberty

(10,696 posts)
35. I cannot overstate how real your reple title is.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:27 AM
Oct 3

"10. He wants EVERYTHING and with each thing he takes, the emptiness inside just grows"

William Seger

(11,876 posts)
16. Yes, literally out of control because he's lost touch with reality
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:18 AM
Oct 3

... a willing victim of the delusions of grandeur caused by a mental illness known as power psychosis.

Celerity

(52,487 posts)
6. Of course they think it normal, as he is God Emperor and everything is his for the taking at his slightest whim
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:27 AM
Oct 3

sop

(16,406 posts)
5. The head of the library should not have resigned, people need to stop giving in to Trump's insane demands.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:27 AM
Oct 3

FakeNoose

(38,977 posts)
53. I believe he can still file a lawsuit and maybe get his job back
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:28 PM
Oct 3

Others have done it successfully, and the judges are mostly sympathetic.
This guy was treated very unfairly.

Wounded Bear

(63,176 posts)
7. trump cares nothing about tradition and history...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:27 AM
Oct 3

He only cares about what he can get from anything he touches.

marble falls

(68,890 posts)
8. 'Cause a guy who runs around in uniforms, and facing his last days really, really needs another sword.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:31 AM
Oct 3

niyad

(127,853 posts)
11. So whose bright idea was this? Did Charles indicate such? And how
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:03 AM
Oct 3

did any of the hate-mongering scum around krasnov even know of the sword? Does it have some particular connection to GB or the Royal Family?

Also, who actually owned the Tiffany brooch that was presented to Camilla?

And, what, by the way, were the pedo rapist and the slovenian sex worker given that nnow belong to us?

William Seger

(11,876 posts)
18. I suspect that Charles simply played to rump's malignant narcissism with flattery
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:23 AM
Oct 3

It's not a secret that such a small man can be easily manipulated.

Bev54

(12,953 posts)
37. I read in another article earlier that it was Melania's idea and her that would not take no.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:36 AM
Oct 3

niyad

(127,853 posts)
39. Now where in the world would she come up with that? Nothing that has ever
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:46 AM
Oct 3

been written about her indicates that she is a student of history, or familiar with Eisenhower.

Bev54

(12,953 posts)
101. Oh you can bet she didn't know anything about it but someone put the bug in her ear
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 10:29 AM
Oct 4

and then she was all in. She is as entitled as he is.

Hekate

(99,779 posts)
74. King Charles would never have hinted at or requested such a thing. He's brighter & has 100% better manners...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:03 PM
Oct 3

…and 100% better grasp of diplomatic protocol than Trump ever has had or will ever have.

Botany

(75,523 posts)
12. What a fucking baby. He is out of control and is burning America to the ground in part due to his madness.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:08 AM
Oct 3

From the article.

“Arrington had been working as director of the Eisenhower library since August 2024. It is one of 16 presidential libraries in the US that are run by the National Archives.

The US archivist is responsible for hiring library directors, and the White House does not have a say in the firing and hiring of these employees.

Arrington told CBS that he wanted to go back to his job.

"I'd return to this job in a heartbeat," he said. "I love the job, I love the people, I love the history. I never in a million years wanted this to happen." “

ECL213

(415 posts)
13. Why does anyone give in to this chump?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:13 AM
Oct 3

He has no authority to do half the shit he does, and people like this just cave.

NCDem47

(3,131 posts)
17. I don't get it either.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:19 AM
Oct 3

Trump and his goons employ mafia tactics. They can make life unbearable for anyone standing in the way. They would figure out who holds the sword over the persons head and apply pressure that way. I’d say “See you in court.”

Hekate

(99,779 posts)
78. Because he is a bully and a mob boss and makes credible threats about ruining the lives of anyone...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:28 PM
Oct 3

…who stands in his way for any reason.

It’s always worked for him. When he would stiff contractors in NYC he would tell them, “So sue me. “ He has always had a posse of lawyers and millions of dollars to deploy them, so he could simply wear down and bankrupt any complainant.

Do you have a million dollars to defend yourself against him?

popsdenver

(632 posts)
14. We all should keep an eye on Ft. Knox
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:14 AM
Oct 3

With his obsession for anything/everything GOLD, he is likely to try and do a switcheroo with the U.S. gold, held at Fort Knox, for his worthless crypto trash...

Paper Roses

(7,575 posts)
36. I thought the same thing. Where does the 24K gold trump brags about come from?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:32 AM
Oct 3

All the ugly bling now in the White House came from somewhere? If it is real, then questions come to mind.
If it is fake gold paint...well, we still paid for that ugly re-decoration.
Can I tell you how much I despise this man and his cabinet?

popsdenver

(632 posts)
103. A new style of Design.......
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 04:32 PM
Oct 4

*Late American Gawdy*

Think of trailer park white trash, suddenly inheriting a ton of money...........whose only "taste" is in their mouth...........

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
20. Who cares about Eisenhower
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:29 AM
Oct 3

That guy was a serious piece of shit. He is literally a key reason we have our of control religious extremism in this country. Screw that guy, that sword and Mango Mussolini. Don't give a damn about any of them.

25. What
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:42 AM
Oct 3

Are you confusing Ike who warned us about the military industrial complex and Reagan who let the nose of the Xtian extremist camel under the tent?

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
42. 100%
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:53 AM
Oct 3

How do you think we ended up with "in god we trust" as our national motto and on our money and the pledge of allegiance? He also gave religious conservatives a seat at the table.
Eisenhower opened the door to religious extremism and forever muddied the waters of the separation of church and state.

GiqueCee

(2,896 posts)
46. Correlation is not causation...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:16 PM
Oct 3

... and the argument is older than Ike himself; it goes back to the Civil War and beyond.
I am a Liberal down to my DNA, and a devout atheist, but I can see no justification for blaming Eisenhower, the last half way decent Republican ever born, for the groundswell of public outrage, as grotesquely misguided as it was, that forced Congress to mandate printing the phrase on US currency, and for the president signing it. It was an expedient solution to a tempest in a teapot generated by religious zealots who have always had their bloodstained fingers in matters of state where they did not belong. The President had far more important issues to address, and if giving these religious fanatics a bone would shut them up, it was deemed a minor sacrifice at the time, I'm sure.

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
48. That is a lot of assumptions
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:25 PM
Oct 3

And not supported by the facts.

In February 1954, Eisenhower attended a sermon by Reverend George Docherty at the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington, D.C. that greatly influenced his ideas on the subject.“To omit the words ‘under God’ in the Pledge of Allegiance is to omit the definitive factor in the American way of life,” Docherty preached. He discounted the right of atheists to object, arguing that an “atheistic American is a contradiction in terms,” because if “you deny the Christian ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life.”

With Eisenhower on board, the campaign to adopt the phrase had more momentum. On June 14, Flag Day, (1954) Eisenhower signed a law adding “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance.


It was not a concession nor was he pressured to do it. He actively supported the new law based on a sermon that clearly discounted the feelings of non-believers and knowingly violated the Constitution's establishment clause.

All Republicans are pieces of shit.

Reference: https://www.history.com/articles/pledge-allegiance-under-god-schools

sop

(16,406 posts)
76. That was more about a propaganda war between "godless communism" vs. capitalism than promoting rightwing christianity.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:13 PM
Oct 3

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
89. Sorry, it was about Christianity
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:57 PM
Oct 3
“In these days when imperialistic and materialistic communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper to remind all of us of this self-evident truth that as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail.”
— President Eisenhower, 1956 (same year he signed off on the change to the motto and money)


My point in all this is I'm tired of the idolization of historical figures and uncomfortable need to turn them into something they are not.
I am also NEVER going to compliment a Republican about anything. All Republicans are scum. All of them.

SonOfNebanaube

(58 posts)
100. only problem is
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 05:51 AM
Oct 4

I have two Morgan Dollars from the 1870's that say "In God We Trust" 0n them.

Response to angrychair (Reply #42)

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
43. This is not a secret or obscure
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:55 AM
Oct 3

How do you think we ended up with "in god we trust" as our national motto and on our money or including "god" in the pledge of allegiance? He also gave religious conservatives a seat at the table. It's all very well documented.
Eisenhower opened the door to religious extremism and forever muddied the waters of the separation of church and state.

niyad

(127,853 posts)
44. Then kindly cite the documentation. Simply saying that it exists does
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:02 PM
Oct 3

not count. It us not our job to do yours.

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
47. Not sure what you mean
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:18 PM
Oct 3

Pull a dollar out and look at it. It says "in god we trust" . It's there because of him (1956). It's our national motto. He did that (1956, replacing the more inclusive and unifying"E pluribus unum" "from many, one). The phrase "under god" was also added to the Pledge by him (1954). There are literally dozens of websites you can look that up. It should be common knowledge. It's literally US history.
It was said to be in reaction to the "red scare" and the godless Communists. What it really was is the adoption of religious extremism and a clear violation of the Constitution's establishment clause.

45. It goes back as far as the Civil War
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:15 PM
Oct 3

Secretary of the Treasury Chase mandated on US coins in 1861. The law mandating it on paper currency was passed in 1956 by Congress and signed by Ike. Much of the push was to differentiate the US from the "godless" Soviets. Ike was no Xtian Nationalist.

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
49. Yes he was
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 12:34 PM
Oct 3

He actively supported adding "in god we trust" as our motto. On our money. In the Pledge. Without his support it would not have happened.
He was not the first religious extremist. Just the first one to be president.
By way of example on that Pledge:


In February 1954, Eisenhower attended a sermon by Reverend George Docherty at the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington, D.C. that greatly influenced his ideas on the subject.
“To omit the words ‘under God’ in the Pledge of Allegiance is to omit the definitive factor in the American way of life,” Docherty preached. He discounted the right of atheists to object, arguing that an “atheistic American is a contradiction in terms,” because if “you deny the Christian ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life.”

With Eisenhower on board, the campaign to adopt the phrase had more momentum. On June 14, Flag Day, Eisenhower signed a law adding “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance.


The argument here is that only religion that matters is Christianity and that to be an atheist is to not be a real American. That is the argument that convinced him.
All Republicans are assholes.

Reference: https://www.history.com/articles/pledge-allegiance-under-god-schools


67. I respectfully, disagree
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:39 PM
Oct 3

I provided the historical context in which this move was made. I also included the history that well-predated Eisenhower. At almost 73 yo, and a recovering Catholic, growing up in rural America, I never felt pressure by the federal government to worship in any proscribed measure, or any matter at all. As a Catholic in a predominantly WASP world, if there was any pressure, it was minimal and it was not the government. So obelieve what you like. By comparison to any Republican president since Eisenhower, I still like Ike.

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
70. You are free to believe as you wish
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 05:19 PM
Oct 3

But it's damn near impossible to imply, with a straight face, that requiring ever child, through multiple years of education, to recite the pledge ever single morning, at every single baseball game and everywhere else that could shoehorn it in, doesn't conflate nationalism and Christianity is crazy to me.
That seeing it on money doesn't conflate Christianity with value, capitalism and power and changing the motto from "from many, one" to "In God we Trust" doesn't send a clear message that only Christians are welcome here, is crazy to me.

You referenced yourself as a Catholic (for reference I am an atheist but graduated from a Catholic university where I majored in Business Administration and minored in Religion) which, last time I checked, is Christian, but saw no consideration for those that were not Christian and their experience.
Leaving with this quote from Eisenhower:

“In these days when imperialistic and materialistic communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper to remind all of us of this self-evident truth that as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail.”
— President Eisenhower, 1956 (same year he signed off on the change to the motto and money)

Hekate

(99,779 posts)
81. It goes back a long way, perhaps further. The govt tried different iterations over the centuries...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:32 PM
Oct 3

You are right about the Congress and Ike, btw.

Hekate

(99,779 posts)
77. I agree completely. My first memory of him is "I Like Ike" but that's a shadow compared to my memory of ...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:19 PM
Oct 3

…federalizing the National Guard and integrating Southern schools after Brown vs. Board of Education. That event was formative to my worldview and thus the rest of my life — altho as a little Californian in the San Fernando Valley and then resident of Hawai’i from when it was a Territory until 1978, I did not experience segregated schools personally. To my parents he was a towering hero of WWII.

He deserves to be remembered for much more than one fairly modest response to America’s fear of “godless Communism, “ and for more than acknowledging Billy Graham long before there were Evangelicals and mega-churches.

angrychair

(11,251 posts)
91. Who unleashed
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 08:05 PM
Oct 3

Religious extremism on our nation by stripping away our motto of "From Many, One" to "In God We Trust"

Before you say it wasn't really about religion, it was:

“In these days when imperialistic and materialistic communism seeks to attack and destroy freedom, it is proper to remind all of us of this self-evident truth that as long as this country trusts in God, it will prevail.”
— President Eisenhower, 1956 (same year he signed off on the change to the motto and money)


Nothing makes you feel as small as a nation that says they do not accept your religion or no religion at all. That only "God" can be trusted.
The US is different from countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran how exactly?

WarGamer

(18,013 posts)
88. You're correct, of course...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:57 PM
Oct 3

Too bad you're catching so much shit.

https://academic.oup.com/book/36089/chapter-abstract/313358170?redirectedFrom=fulltext


Dwight D. Eisenhower’s personal behavior, the mood of the 1950s, and shrewd publicity combined to make his administration seem more religious than those of most other presidents. Although the general did not join a church until the second Sunday after his inauguration, he is considered one of the most religious presidents in American history.

Eisenhower attended church regularly, proclaimed national days of prayer, invited Billy Graham and other influential clergymen to the White House, and helped create an organization called the Foundation for Religious Action. Eisenhower maintained very cordial relations with most of the nation’s religious communities. The president met frequently with religious delegations, sent hundreds of messages to religious gatherings and groups, and spoke to numerous religious assemblies.

His speeches contained more religious rhetoric than almost any other president’s, and he repeatedly called for a spiritual revival and a moral crusade to remedy the nation’s ills. While he was president, the highly publicized national prayer breakfasts began, the words “under God” were added to the Pledge of Allegiance, and Congress made the phrase “In God We Trust” the national motto.

BannonsLiver

(19,742 posts)
96. Continuing the theme of some of your past comments...
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:14 PM
Oct 3

Was Ike as evil as Heydrich or Goring in your book, or are we just going with the religion thing for the reason you're not a fan?


Champp

(2,300 posts)
21. So now the Republicans are shitting on their very own former hero, Eisenhower
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:32 AM
Oct 3

I guess he's just a RINO now.

Republicans will probably destroy his imagein the white house now, like they did to Pres. Biden.

twisted

Rebl2

(17,085 posts)
28. Wish the
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:46 AM
Oct 3

director of the Eisenhower library hadn’t quit. Of course right now, it’s probably closed because of the government shutdown. I am in MO and the Truman library is closed. Are all presidential libraries government funded in some way?

TexasTowelie

(123,573 posts)
30. The George H. W. Bush library in College Station is partially open.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:05 AM
Oct 3

The museum portion remains open while the research room and administrative offices of the library are closed. The ongoing operations are funded by the National Archives and Records Administration. Private donations were accepted for the construction of the library and initiatives such as scholarships.

mn9driver

(4,787 posts)
31. Infantile behavior.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:07 AM
Oct 3

It seems likely that Charles III quickly had the replica sword deposited in a storage room, never to be seen or spoken of again.

flashman13

(1,631 posts)
33. Krasnov is the ultimate POS!
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 11:19 AM
Oct 3

Only a POS would try to steal the legacy of one of America's greatest military leaders and president.

I'm just guessing, but given that King Charles is not only king but a member of the British military who is steeped in world and military history, he would have refused to accept the actual Eisenhower sword. I believe King Charles to be a man of honor.

Ms. Toad

(37,865 posts)
50. Steal? Do you think presidents take things they own personally to give, as a diplomatic gift, to foreign dignitaries?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:16 PM
Oct 3

There a long history of giving gifts to English royals (and other foreign dignitary) - some new; some historical.

https://archive.li/OTtbS
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2011/5/24/18605291/obama-michelle-and-british-royals-swap-gifts-details-here

There is a protocol for gift giving (no idea whether it was followed), and It was entirely appropriate for the museum director to say "no." But valuable American historical items have been given to foreign dignitaries in the past.

The archivist was perfectly within their rights to refuse to allow this particular artifact as a gift. But using an American artifact as a gift to a foreign dignitary is hardly "trying to steal"

gab13by13

(30,053 posts)
54. What would you call it?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:30 PM
Oct 3

Krasnov told the head of the Library to give him Ike's sword or quit or be fired. You claim the head of the Library did the right thing because he wasn't allowed to give the sword away when in fact he was only doing his job.

Krasnov had zero rights to that sword so I sure do call that trying to steal it with the head of the Library being an accomplice. Sorry but I think my using the word steal was too mild.

Ms. Toad

(37,865 posts)
59. He didn't have personal rights to the sword -
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:12 PM
Oct 3

But (first) he wasn't claiming it for himself. He was asking for it to give as a gift from the US to the British monarchy. The property of the US, including historical artifacts can be given as diplomatic gifts to leaders of foreign countries. This is not unusual. Follow the links I gave you, or do some research on your own.

(second) the head of the library can't be an accomplice if the sword was being given as a diplomatic gift - any more than when a decision is made to give any American artifact to a foreign dignitary as a diplomatic gift

(third) was it stealing when Biden took a leather folder of letters between Queen Elizabeth and Eisenhower to give King Charles as a gift in 2023?

The giving of US property to foreign dignitaries as diplomatic gifts is absolutely ordinary.

Trump's threats are trump's threats, Trying to coerce officials by the use of threats is just Trump being Trump. Reprehensible - but it doesn't turn an ordinary diplomatic act into attempted theft.

gab13by13

(30,053 posts)
60. Maybe I will try going to a bank teller
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:29 PM
Oct 3

and asking him/ her for 10,000 dollars, not for me, for my best friend.

Ms. Toad

(37,865 posts)
62. Do you really not understand that the gift is from the American people to the British people?
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 02:38 PM
Oct 3

It is not a personal gift from Trump to another person. This is not a personal exchange - it is an exchange between two countries.

Every year the U.S. Congress appropriates funds for diplomatic gifts. The Office of the Chief of Protocol advises the president, the vice president and the secretary of state on the selection of appropriate gifts for visits and meetings with leaders of foreign countries in compliance with federal regulations.


https://share.america.gov/diplomacy-calls-for-well-chosen-gift/#:~:text=How%20it%20works,government%20at%20its%20appraised%20value.

Gifts given to Trump (including the ones received on this particular trip) belong to the people of the United States. Similarly, gifts given to the British Royalty.

Items given to the monarch from another head of state or government automatically become part of the royal collection, an institution set up to manage the country’s royal heritage. Otherwise, they go into storage.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/07/what-are-the-rules-on-gifts-for-the-royal-family#:~:text=Official%20gifts%20are%20those%20received,by%20the%20family%20member%20privately.

Buzz cook

(2,800 posts)
64. Artifacts owned by the US government
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 03:12 PM
Oct 3

Presidential libraries are not owned by the government. The same is true of artifacts in those libraries.

I suspect even in the case of government owned artifacts it would take more than the president asking for it.
At one time Stuben glass was the traditional gift given to foreign dignitaries.
I'm sure there's protocol involved in these gifts which of course Trump ignores.

Ms. Toad

(37,865 posts)
66. Presidential libraries and their content belong to the American people.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:05 PM
Oct 3
Presidential Libraries and Museums, like their holdings, belong to the American people.
That includes the Eisenhower library. It is operated as part of the National Archives.

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/about/frequently-asked-questions

There are protocols - they are harder to find these days, but I've referenced the existence of the protocols at least twice.

Buzz cook

(2,800 posts)
82. Thanks for the correction.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:36 PM
Oct 3

So when the billion dollar plane goes to the Trump library, as they plan to do, Trump won't have legal access to it.

Ms. Toad

(37,865 posts)
84. It will not belong to him -
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:54 PM
Oct 3

Nixon's behavior changed that rule - since he wanted to take personal stuff with him they passed a law making it clear that it belongs to the American people the moment he leaves office.

As to Trump, he would have to formally request access to it (aside from any access the public has). But as to things like planes, I don't know what kind of access is possible

Irish_Dem

(76,142 posts)
51. Trump giving away priceless objects STOLEN from the American people.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:21 PM
Oct 3

I wonder how many he has stolen for himself?

gab13by13

(30,053 posts)
57. I think of what Rummy said
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 01:56 PM
Oct 3

"There are things we know."
"There are things we don't know."
"there are things we don't know we don't know."

Wonder who had Epstein killed?

A handful of billionaires want it all.

Krasnov wants to crash the dollar and boost Crypto where a handful of oligarchs can live in their own little communes.

The stock market is booming because the money is being transferred from the poor to the people who own the stock.

MuseRider

(34,988 posts)
68. The director of the library has been ousted.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 04:53 PM
Oct 3

I do not know any more about that, it will likely come about.

B.See

(6,978 posts)
83. Odds are, Krasnov would've pocketed the original and gifted Charles a FAKE anyway.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:50 PM
Oct 3

fake like that spray tan, that fake gold crap in the O.O. and his elevator shoes.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,679 posts)
86. Well I guess we know who he was gifting our classified documents to.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:38 PM
Oct 3

Since he sees everything as his to do with as he sees fit.

LetMyPeopleVote

(171,158 posts)
87. MaddowBlog-The ridiculous reason Team Trump fired the director of the Eisenhower library
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 07:52 PM
Oct 3

Todd Arrington, the director of the Eisenhower library, was forced out of his job for having done the right thing. He’s hardly alone.

The ridiculous reason Team Trump fired the director of the Eisenhower library

Ahead of Donald Trump’s recent state visit to Britain, the president apparently wanted to present King Charles with some kind of gift, and administration officials settled on something related to Dwight Eisenhower. (Eis

@billspaced (@billspaced.com) 2025-10-03T17:11:47.297Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/eisenhower-library-director-fired-sword-trump-charles-rcna235395

Ahead of Donald Trump’s recent state visit to Britain, the president apparently wanted to present King Charles with some kind of gift, and administration officials settled on something related to Dwight Eisenhower. (Eisenhower, of course, led the Allied forces in World War II before getting elected to the White House.)

The New York Times reported what happened next:

Through a personal email address, an administration official approached the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library, Museum, and Boyhood Home in Abilene, Kan., which has at least one Eisenhower sword in its collection, given to him in 1947 by Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands. But the library declined to release it or any other original artifact in its collection, on the grounds that they are the property of the U.S. government, which the library is obligated by law to preserve for the American public.


...Rather, what makes this story extraordinary is that Todd Arrington, the director of the Eisenhower library, was soon after forced out of his job.

Technically, Arrington resigned, but he told the Times that it was not voluntary. “I never imagined that I would be fired from almost 30 years of government service for this,” he said......

In the case regarding the Eisenhower sword, Arrington received an email from a State Department liaison (she used a “giftgirl2025” address) who said that the administration was looking for “like a sword or something.” Arrington, well aware of the fact that it would’ve been illegal to give away U.S. property, declined. His punishment came soon after.

This is, alas, a familiar dynamic. A prosecutor does the right thing by refusing to bring a corrupt indictment? He’s fired. An IRS official does the right thing by refusing to cooperate with a legally dubious DOGE request? He’s fired. A presidential librarian does the right thing by refusing to turn over a sword to be used as a foreign gift? He’s fired.

The message to federal officials everywhere is hardly subtle: When confronted with improper requests, your career will likely come to an abrupt end if the White House doesn’t like your answer.

AllyCat

(18,269 posts)
95. He is just a bucket of nuts.
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 10:50 PM
Oct 3

He has no class, no sense, no diplomacy, no compassion, no abilities.

He’s horrible.

calimary

(88,066 posts)
102. How long do we have to put up with this shithole?
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 11:48 AM
Oct 4

It’s hard to believe what a mess that bastard has made.

But then again, if you stop a moment to remember, that’s what he’s good at.

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