Renowned forensic pathologist comments on the 3 broken bones in Epstein's neck

[gab13by13]

Dr. Michael Baden saw photos of a summary from Epstein's autopsy, that showed 3 broken bones in Epstein's neck, his comment to Fox News was that in his 50 years he has never seen a hanging where those 3 bones were broken. Baden said the broken bones were more common in strangulations.

A summary of the autopsy was released but I don't think the entire autopsy has ever been released?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-report-released-photos-bone-fracture?msockid=25d6599f42ad6c523b244bb643056dc7

Disclaimer for posting a link from Fox News, it involves the testimony of a reliable forensic pathologist.

[BOSSHOG]

1. Another know nothing trump hating fake doctor

What the hell does he know about broken necks? Strangling somebody is a method of suicide. Everybody I love knows that. Why are you still talking about this?

[gab13by13]

2. I like you,

your response.

I know they released a summary of the autopsy but don't believe they released the entire autopsy.

Did they check for strange DNA on Epstein's neck and bed sheet?

[BOSSHOG]

3. And I like You My Friend

Let’s keep up the good fight however we can.

[SSJVegeta]

16. Replace "everybody i love knows that" with "its common knowledge" and you nailed a MAGA

[BurnDoubt]

25. "A lotta people are saying...."

Isn't that how we got into this mess?
Nobody ever asked "who are this 'lotta people?'"
And nobody EVER asked: "What will America look like when it's 'Great Again?'"

[stopdiggin]

4. a 'reliable forensic pathologist' - who just happens to be trotting himself out in front of the TV cameras

at the behest of FoxNews

But, hey! All in here!

[gab13by13]

5. I'm slow, I don't understand your point?

Are you saying that Fox brought the guy in to say that Epstein may have been murdered? Trump was president and Billy Barr was AG.

You confused me. Are you one of the people who believe that Epstein committed suicide? I have this bridge....

[EdmondDantes_]

7. To be fair, he's trotting himself out there at the behest of Epstein's family

But apparently the person who did the autopsy and the Biden era DOJ are just rubes.

Baden himself admits that the breakage is only more common in homicide strangulation not dispositive of suicide strangulation. People don't understand odds very well.

[prodigitalson]

23. Trump DOJ

[EdmondDantes_]

32. No. The DOJ report was in 2023

https://oig.justice.gov/news/doj-oig-releases-report-bops-custody-care-and-supervision-jeffrey-epstein-metropolitan

From the link:

No Evidence Contradicting the FBI’s Determination that there Was No Criminality Associated with Epstein’s Death.

Separate from the OIG’s investigation, which focused on the conduct of BOP personnel, the FBI concurrently investigated whether Epstein’s death was the result of criminal conduct by any non-BOP actors. Among other things, the FBI investigated the cause of Epstein’s death and determined it was not the result of a criminal act. The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, City of New York, determined that Epstein died by suicide. While the OIG determined MCC New York staff engaged in significant misconduct and dereliction of their duties, we did not uncover evidence contradicting the FBI’s determination regarding the absence of criminality in connection with Epstein’s death.

[Autumn]

33. To be fair Garland was the DOJ during the Biden "era". Rube? No

Complacent? Yes. A lot of stuff should have been released and dealt with, including this report from 2023, the trump era.

[EdmondDantes_]

34. So what was Garland's motivation?

And are you suggesting that the people who actually wrote the report were under orders or just complacent?

That's one of the many problems with these conspiracy theories. They require either a lot of complicit people who then never say anything or unitary actors.

[Autumn]

35. I have my opinions. You can form yours. nt

[Melon]

6. I think technically he was strangled.

He didn’t drop from the ceiling. He basically tied a homemade rope around his neck and then crouched until he lost consciousness with his body weight.

[LisaL]

8. Did he really?

I am not convinced that he wasn't suicided.

[brush]

9. Seriously?

[Melon]

10. Yes. My understanding was his butt was a few inches off the ground.

Similar to Robin Williams. There is nothing in a cell to hang from the ceiling. Just rope around neck short enough that you sit and body weight causes strangulation.

[brush]

11. Nah, the video releaseed had several minutes miissing and was not of his cell.

AG Barr visited, shortly thereafter Epstein was dead and guards were 'alledgedly and mysterious' absent. Yeah, right.

Sometimes Occam's Razor is what it is.

[still-prayin4rain]

14. Wouldn't you lose consciousness first and not be able to hold yourself in that precise position anymore

before actually dying?

[Melon]

18. That's the way they do it.i worked for the police in college and say the same.

A boy had killed himself on a double bunk bed. We found him basically strangled but on his knees.
Putting a short rope around your neck and sitting down with it on a low bar on a bunk bed. You lose consciousness and pass out and hang. .
Robin Williams was a belt on a door knob. That’s waist level.

[still-prayin4rain]

19. Interesting (and sad for the kid and RW)

[NutmegYankee]

31. That's still considered as hanging.

Many suicidal hangings are only partial suspension. But the broken bones raise the possibility he was rendered unconscious by strangulation and then arranged in a manner to let gravity finish the job.

[3Hotdogs]

12. It kinda reminds me of a D.U. thread a few years ago. It seems this guy committed suicide in a cop car,

wile his hands were handcuffed behind his back. He shot himself.

[Joinfortmill]

13. Yup, not surprised. Trump & Barr.

[Kaleva]

15. Dr. Michael Baden was a defense witness for OJ Simpson

“A preeminent but controversial medical examiner, Baden testified that he had billed about $100,000 so far in the Simpson case, but defense lawyer Robert L. Shapiro sought to blunt any challenge to Baden’s credibility by eliciting his detailed testimony about work he has done for prosecutors, including the Los Angeles County district attorney’s office“

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-08-11-me-33974-story.html

[moniss]

17. If one just ties something around the top

Barr of the cell and slumps to choke off the airway from body weight I'm not so sure that bones would break. I would think that would happen more likely from a considerable weight jerking on the neck like jumping off a chair at least.

[Melon]

20. No. That is not how it's done. You would need to fall many feet to break your neck.

The bones break because these people aren’t executioners. They tie a basic knot and hand their body weight from it when they pass out. The knot slips and is incredibly tight. It can get so tight from body weight that it splits the skin. Same force or worse than strangulation.

[moniss]

21. Honestly did you read what I said about bones not likely to break based on the description given

of how he supposedly hung himself? Your response leads me to believe you didn't.

[Melon]

27. I read it. There is no stool in a jail cell

He basically twisted paper tight for a noose. You are not given fabric clothes usually on suicide watch. He didn’t hang by the neck with his feet dangling. Hanging when the noose draws tight like that is strangulation. It doesn’t break the neck. The rope just tightened around your neck and you pass out, body weight strangles you. His but was a barely off the ground is what I had heard. If you weigh 180 pounds, the rope will get very tight around the throat. I’m not necessary disputing what the autopsy expert said…but he’s paid. Paid people tend to match the opinions of those that pay.

[moniss]

28. I never said there was a stool in his cell. I made the point that unless there

was a way for him to jump with some weight snapping against his neck I doubt whether the bones in his neck would break. Honestly this is like me saying it's night time and you saying to me "No it's not it's just that the sun went down and it's dark."

[Melon]

29. And I'm patiently try to explain to you that body weight and a constricting knot

Is the mechanism here. This isn’t breaking the neck. It’s small bones. The hyoid and cartridge. Strangling someone with your hands commonly breaks them. A ligature will break them.

Someone in a jail cell without access to long rope. Without access to a high point. In a cell designed to stop suicides through hanging do not hang from a rope. They die from asphyxiation, just like a ligature strangulation. It’s classified as hanging because body weight is constricting the rope, but the mechanism is strangulation. They put their body weight against a rope until they pass out, then their full body weight is on their neck except for their legs.

[moniss]

30. I don't believe the bones broke by the description of

what they found with how they say Epstein did it. Period. I believe how those bones came to be broken was from other circumstances. Someone can die of self imposed asphyxiation without breaking bones. I have never believed that the official story is on the up and up. But then again there are people who still swear the Warren Report is gospel.

[Tetrachloride]

22. there's no bones like broken bones

[BurnDoubt]

26. In the end, he was worth more dead than alive.