Parents may need to prove citizenship for US-born babies' documents
https://www.msn.com/en-in/politics/government/parents-may-need-to-prove-citizenship-for-us-born-babies-documents-report/ar-AA1JvuIh"The Trump administration's new guidelines now require parents, including US citizens, to verify their immigration status to secure passports or Social Security numbers for their newborns. It is part of the Trump administration's larger clamp down on immigration, including on birthright citizenship."
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My eyes are starting to cross here.. Are new parents going to have to prove that their parents are US citizens?? We have crossed the Rubicon my friends into crazyville
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Since I'm a naturalized citizen without American birth parents, I did some more digging into this because I honestly feel I won't be able to vote again by 2028.
Sorry this is a bit lengthy but not sure where else to post this:
Trump's Secret Plan to Strip Citizenship from Millions of Americans
They're Building a Database to Hunt Down Naturalized Citizens—And Your Passport Renewal Could Be the Trap
What we discovered by digging into the 2025 Mandate for Leadership documents (Project 2025) and recent Trump administration actions reveals a chilling three-pronged attack on American citizenship itself.
When Trump signed his birthright citizenship executive order on January 20, 2025, most coverage focused on the constitutional battle over babies born to undocumented parents. That was the distraction. The real story is far more sinister: a comprehensive infrastructure designed to strip citizenship from 25 million naturalized Americans and create bureaucratic traps that could disenfranchise millions more by 2028.
After deep research into leaked implementation documents, the 2025 Mandate for Leadership blueprint, and federal database integration efforts, the scope of their plan is breathtaking. This isn't just about immigration—it's about building the tools for constitutional authoritarianism.
The Three-Pronged Attack
Prong 1: The National Citizenship Database
In partnership with Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), the Department of Homeland Security has quietly built something that has never existed before: a searchable national database of all Americans' citizenship status.
The system, called SAVE (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements), now integrates:
* Immigration databases
* Social Security Administration records
* State voter registration rolls
* Department of Motor Vehicle records
For the first time in American history, the federal government can instantly cross-reference your citizenship status against your voting history, benefits usage, and state records. They've run over 9 million voter records through this system already.
The most chilling detail? Palantir—the same company that works with Israeli intelligence on "targeted operations"—is consolidating all this data into what amounts to a total surveillance system for tracking American citizens.
Prong 2: The Denaturalization Machine
The Trump administration has made stripping citizenship from naturalized Americans a "top five enforcement priority"for the Department of Justice. Their June 11, 2025 memo directs federal prosecutors to "maximally pursue denaturalization proceedings in all cases permitted by law."
The scale is unprecedented: They're reviewing over 700,000 naturalization files and have expanded target categories to include:
* Anyone who "poses a potential danger to national security" (undefined)
* Those who committed undisclosed felonies during naturalization
* People involved in "fraud" against individuals or corporations
* "Any other cases referred to the Civil Division that the Division determines to be sufficiently important to pursue"
That last category is the catch-all that makes every naturalized citizen vulnerable.
The process is rigged: Unlike criminal cases, denaturalization proceedings are civil litigation where defendants have:
* No right to an attorney
* Lower burden of proof ("clear and convincing" vs. "beyond reasonable doubt"
* No time limit—they can go back decades
* No jury trial—just a judge deciding if you deserve to remain American
Prong 3: The Voting Rights Trap
Trump's March 25, 2025 executive order requires documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote—but the acceptable documents list is deliberately limited. Birth certificates aren't explicitly included. Only passports, certain driver's licenses, and military IDs that show citizenship qualify.
Here's the trap: If neither of your parents was born in the USA, the new State Department requirements mean your naturalization certificate may not be sufficient for passport renewal. They now require "original proof of parental citizenship or immigration status."
For millions of naturalized citizens, this creates an impossible documentation requirement that effectively removes them from voting rolls.
The 2027-2028 Election Trap
The timing isn't coincidental. Many naturalized citizens have passports expiring in 2027, just before the 2028 election. The new documentation requirements kick in fully by then, creating a perfect storm:
1. 2027: Passport renewals require extensive parental documentation
2. 2028: Voting requires documentary proof of citizenship
3. Meanwhile: Denaturalization proceedings target anyone flagged in their database
They're betting naturalized citizens won't navigate this bureaucratic maze and will self-disenfranchise rather than risk drawing government attention.
Real Cases, Real Consequences
This isn't theoretical. Elliott Duke, a U.S. military veteran from the UK, already had his citizenship stripped on June 13, 2025, for failing to disclose crimes committed before he was even charged—crimes from 2012 that he wasn't convicted of until 2014, after he became a citizen in 2013.
In Arizona's "beta test," naturalized citizens who've voted for decades are receiving letters demanding they prove their citizenship or be classified as "federal only" voters. Georgia Valdez, 67, who was naturalized in 8th grade and has voted for decades, now can't get copies of her naturalization papers and doesn't have money to replace them.
The Constitutional Challenge
Legal scholars are horrified. Constitutional law expert Steve Vladeck emphasizes there's "simply no easy, fast path to revoking any American's citizenship without their consent." But the administration isn't seeking easy—they're building a systematic infrastructure to make it routine.
Multiple federal judges have called Trump's orders "blatantly unconstitutional," but the Supreme Court's June 2025 rulinglimited nationwide injunctions, allowing piecemeal implementation while legal challenges proceed.
The damage is already done: When naturalized citizens fear their status could be revoked, it undermines the security citizenship is supposed to provide, creating the "chilling effect" that suppresses democratic participation.
What This Means for Democracy
This isn't just about naturalized citizens—it's about fundamentally redefining American citizenship itself. By creating a two-tier system where some Americans live under perpetual threat of losing their status, they're building the infrastructure for broader political control.
The 2025 Mandate for Leadership documents make their intentions clear: Merge immigration agencies into a single enforcement entity, implement mandatory E-Verify for all government interactions, and create "total information-sharing" between federal law enforcement and election officials.
They're not just targeting immigrants—they're building the tools to target anyone.
Fighting Back
The good news: citizenship is a constitutional right that can't be arbitrarily taken away. The legal challenges are strong, and there are concrete steps naturalized citizens can take to protect themselves:
Immediate Actions:
* Renew passports early (in 2026, before new requirements kick in)
* Get certified copies of all immigration documents
* Consult immigration attorneys specializing in denaturalization defense
* Document civic engagement (voting records, jury duty, community involvement)
Long-term Strategy:
* Vote in EVERY election to establish continuous civic participation
* Join mutual aid networks for naturalized citizens
* Support legal challenges through organizations like the ACLU
* Contact elected officials about protecting citizenship rights
The Bottom Line
Your citizenship—whether naturalized or birthborn—is under systematic attack. They're counting on fear, confusion, and bureaucratic exhaustion to achieve what they can't accomplish through honest democratic processes.
The Pledge of Allegiance I recited at my naturalization ceremony wasn't meaningless. It created a constitutional bond they cannot easily break, despite their efforts to build bureaucratic traps around it.
But we have to fight back—not just for naturalized citizens, but for the very idea that American citizenship means something permanent and valuable.
The 2028 election isn't just about who wins—it's about whether American citizenship will still mean the same thing afterward. The battle for the soul of American democracy is happening in the bureaucratic details most people never see.
It's time we started paying attention.
This investigation was based on analysis of the 2025 Mandate for Leadership documents, leaked federal implementation memos, court filings in citizenship challenges, and federal database integration reports. The full documentation trail reveals a systematic effort to undermine citizenship rights that goes far beyond any single executive order
