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lostincalifornia

(4,017 posts)
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:20 PM Jul 24

It seems that a lot of folks want to blame garland for trump and

what is happening today?

How about those that refused to vote for Hillary in the general election which gave us the Supreme Court we have today, and judges like Canon.

What about those that refused to vote for VP Harris, and those that refused to endorse her, knowing full well the message that would send would discourage people from voting?





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It seems that a lot of folks want to blame garland for trump and (Original Post) lostincalifornia Jul 24 OP
Ah yes what aboutism . the fact that people sat out the election doesn't give Garland a pass Fullduplexxx Jul 24 #1
Amen ! republianmushroom Jul 24 #2
I never gave a pass to garland, that is your words not mine. However, lostincalifornia Jul 24 #5
While I agree that he should have moved more quickly and aggressively, Ocelot II Jul 24 #3
Without a doubt, because that is exactly what they did, and what is so frustrating lostincalifornia Jul 24 #6
There's plenty of blame to go around. Harker Jul 24 #4
In some ways you are correct, but the unfortunate fact is that this SC would lostincalifornia Jul 24 #7
Kamala Harris won the election gab13by13 Jul 24 #8
In whose reality? Did Hillary also win in 2016, because it was what lostincalifornia Jul 24 #12
Well, it's not an either or ... Patton French Jul 24 #9
Some folks just have an extremely unhealthy obsession with Garland that is severely detached from reality. tritsofme Jul 24 #10
I wish they have the same obsession with this SC. lostincalifornia Jul 24 #13
Fuck Garland. nt LexVegas Jul 24 #11
Ya, fuck them too JoseBalow Jul 24 #14
How can you blame millions of anonymous voters rather than Garland? It was his doc03 Jul 24 #15
Not too difficult since those "anonymous" voters knew the SC was at stake in 2016, and those "anonymous" lostincalifornia Jul 24 #17
trashed that one RussBLib Jul 24 #16
LOL, no more deja vu that those who continue to blame garland for all our ills, even though it is quite lostincalifornia Jul 24 #18

Fullduplexxx

(8,537 posts)
1. Ah yes what aboutism . the fact that people sat out the election doesn't give Garland a pass
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:22 PM
Jul 24

To not do his job

lostincalifornia

(4,017 posts)
5. I never gave a pass to garland, that is your words not mine. However,
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:38 PM
Jul 24

there are a good number of folks who have given a pass to those who refused to vote for Hillary which gave us the Supreme Court we have today, and that fact actually is what caused trump to get out of jail.

The reality is this Supreme Court would have never allowed trump to be prosecuted, because that is exactly what they did with their delays.

Ocelot II

(126,319 posts)
3. While I agree that he should have moved more quickly and aggressively,
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:28 PM
Jul 24

in the long run nothing would have changed, because SCOTUS would have issued its terrible immunity decision no matter who the AG might have been or how quickly he'd have acted - even if the prosecutions had gone to trial and resulted in convictions as we had all hoped, SCOTUS would have let Trump off the hook anyhow.

lostincalifornia

(4,017 posts)
6. Without a doubt, because that is exactly what they did, and what is so frustrating
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:43 PM
Jul 24

is that a lot of people seem to be in denial about that.

So as bad as garland was, in the end it was this SC that would have never allowed trump to be convicted, and Canon was also on that same page.

lostincalifornia

(4,017 posts)
7. In some ways you are correct, but the unfortunate fact is that this SC would
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:47 PM
Jul 24

have never allowed trump to be convicted because that is exactly what they did, and this SC is a direct result of the 2016 election which we are all paying the price for.

lostincalifornia

(4,017 posts)
12. In whose reality? Did Hillary also win in 2016, because it was what
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 05:05 PM
Jul 24

happened in 2016 that gave us this SC.

Patton French

(1,755 posts)
9. Well, it's not an either or ...
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:57 PM
Jul 24

There is no doubt that Garland deserves criticism for slow walking the charges against Trump. Whatever his reasoning at the time (he probably believed he was doing the "right" thing), it's as clear as day that he miscalculated and didn't have the backbone to do what was right.

There is also no doubt that Democratic voters who stayed home or otherwise did not vote for VP Harris deserve criticism.

One doesn't excuse the other.

tritsofme

(19,428 posts)
10. Some folks just have an extremely unhealthy obsession with Garland that is severely detached from reality.
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 04:57 PM
Jul 24

lostincalifornia

(4,017 posts)
17. Not too difficult since those "anonymous" voters knew the SC was at stake in 2016, and those "anonymous"
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 10:35 PM
Jul 24

voters in all those critical swing states who refused to vote for Hillary, allowed trump to win, and gave us the Supreme Court and Canon, that allowed allowed trump to avoid conviction.

The SC made it clear they were not going to allow any conviction of trump to occur, because that is exactly what happened.

but that is fine if you want to believe that voters have no responsibility for the government we have.





lostincalifornia

(4,017 posts)
18. LOL, no more deja vu that those who continue to blame garland for all our ills, even though it is quite
Thu Jul 24, 2025, 10:37 PM
Jul 24

obvious that this SC would NEVER have allowed trump to be convicted.

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