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no_hypocrisy

(52,361 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 07:31 AM Tuesday

"I don't write drawings."

OK, so TSF claims that the birthday "card" that was sent to Jeffrey Epstein, allegedly with his drawing and signature is a fraud; he didn't create it and endorse it.

OK. Michael Cohen, former Executive VP and Chief Counsel for The Trump Organization, claims that for a change, TSF isn't lying. He never saw him "doodle" at any time.

OK. What if both TSF and Cohen are technically correct that TSF didn't create the birthday greeting. What if TSF told a secretary to draw something, type up a message, and he'd sign it.

In a court of law, upon questioning under oath, if you either admitted it or another witness with personal knowledge testified the s/he saw what happened, and/or did the task requested. That you directed someone to do something, and it was done. You're still responsible because you told her/him to do something and you accepted the results -- and in this case, you forwarded it. (IOW, you didn't destroy it; you didn't keep it.)

Taking this further, if comparison of the drawing on the Epstein birthday drawing/message resembles other drawings that were auctioned off for thousands of dollars to charities, but TSF just didn't draw them himself, that's fraud.

‘Oh what a tangled web we weave/ When first we practice to deceive,‘*

* This is a very ‘Shakespearean’ phrase, however, it is not from Shakespeare. It comes from an early nineteenth-century Scottish author, Sir Walter Scott, best best-selling writer of novels, plays, and poems.

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Bernardo de La Paz

(57,230 posts)
2. People w dementia make language mistakes like "I never wrote a drawing in my life"
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 07:45 AM
Tuesday

But disregarding the stupidity idiocy of the language error, it is still a lie. Another lie from the dotard.

Hugin

(36,669 posts)
3. Since Maxwell allegedly compiled the creepy leather bound book...
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 07:50 AM
Tuesday

It’s possible that she added the flair of the drawing.

I get the feeling that this is way worse than even we can imagine. We’re only seeing the event horizon of the depths and that’s what the text alludes to.

sop

(15,277 posts)
4. Look where he signed it.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 07:51 AM
Tuesday

(Edit: For some reason I can't find an image of the letter in question. Have the images been taken down to avoid litigation?)

sop

(15,277 posts)
7. I saw images of this letter on several sites when the story first broke.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:52 AM
Tuesday

The letter had a crude outline drawing of a woman's body over the text, with Trump's signature (apparently) added to mimic public hair. I can't find any of these images now.

"What the real letter says (allegedly)"

"The Journal article described Trump’s letter as 'several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker.' The article also said it had 'small arcs' denoting a woman’s breasts and a squiggly 'Donald' below the figure’s waist, 'mimicking pubic hair.' The article was careful to note that it’s not clear how the letter with Trump’s signature was prepared, suggesting that Trump himself may not have hand-drawn any portion of it."

(There's an image of this letter at the link, with "FAKE" stamped on it.).

https://gizmodo.com/fake-trump-epstein-letters-spread-online-after-bombshell-report-2000631869

TheRickles

(2,878 posts)
5. His defense could end up being that he signed it with an autopen, which we all know means
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 08:17 AM
Tuesday

that it's not legally binding.

tetedur

(1,300 posts)
8. If Cohen never saw him doodle, that does not mean he never doodled.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 09:03 AM
Tuesday

I don't think Cohen was with him 24/7. Is Cohen forgetting or doesn't he know that Donald "donated" his doodles for auctions?

In a You Tube interview with Michael Wolff, Cohen said he doesn't think Donald was interested in little girls.
Cohen told a story in one of his books that Trump made a lewd comment about Cohen's daughter in front of Cohen. Trump didn't know the 15 year old was Cohen's daughter. When Cohen retorted "That's my daughter!" Trump said well she's hot.

It seems, at times, Cohen plays the Donald protector even after everything Donald did to him.




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