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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"I don't write drawings."
OK, so TSF claims that the birthday "card" that was sent to Jeffrey Epstein, allegedly with his drawing and signature is a fraud; he didn't create it and endorse it.
OK. Michael Cohen, former Executive VP and Chief Counsel for The Trump Organization, claims that for a change, TSF isn't lying. He never saw him "doodle" at any time.
OK. What if both TSF and Cohen are technically correct that TSF didn't create the birthday greeting. What if TSF told a secretary to draw something, type up a message, and he'd sign it.
In a court of law, upon questioning under oath, if you either admitted it or another witness with personal knowledge testified the s/he saw what happened, and/or did the task requested. That you directed someone to do something, and it was done. You're still responsible because you told her/him to do something and you accepted the results -- and in this case, you forwarded it. (IOW, you didn't destroy it; you didn't keep it.)
Taking this further, if comparison of the drawing on the Epstein birthday drawing/message resembles other drawings that were auctioned off for thousands of dollars to charities, but TSF just didn't draw them himself, that's fraud.
Oh what a tangled web we weave/ When first we practice to deceive,*
* This is a very Shakespearean phrase, however, it is not from Shakespeare. It comes from an early nineteenth-century Scottish author, Sir Walter Scott, best best-selling writer of novels, plays, and poems.

johnnyfins
(2,490 posts)TSF is already a PROVEN doodler.
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,230 posts)But disregarding the stupidity idiocy of the language error, it is still a lie. Another lie from the dotard.
Hugin
(36,669 posts)Its possible that she added the flair of the drawing.
I get the feeling that this is way worse than even we can imagine. Were only seeing the event horizon of the depths and thats what the text alludes to.
sop
(15,277 posts)(Edit: For some reason I can't find an image of the letter in question. Have the images been taken down to avoid litigation?)
johnnyfins
(2,490 posts)The article was a description of the letter
sop
(15,277 posts)The letter had a crude outline drawing of a woman's body over the text, with Trump's signature (apparently) added to mimic public hair. I can't find any of these images now.
"What the real letter says (allegedly)"
"The Journal article described Trumps letter as 'several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker.' The article also said it had 'small arcs' denoting a womans breasts and a squiggly 'Donald' below the figures waist, 'mimicking pubic hair.' The article was careful to note that its not clear how the letter with Trumps signature was prepared, suggesting that Trump himself may not have hand-drawn any portion of it."
(There's an image of this letter at the link, with "FAKE" stamped on it.).
https://gizmodo.com/fake-trump-epstein-letters-spread-online-after-bombshell-report-2000631869
TheRickles
(2,878 posts)that it's not legally binding.
tetedur
(1,300 posts)I don't think Cohen was with him 24/7. Is Cohen forgetting or doesn't he know that Donald "donated" his doodles for auctions?
In a You Tube interview with Michael Wolff, Cohen said he doesn't think Donald was interested in little girls.
Cohen told a story in one of his books that Trump made a lewd comment about Cohen's daughter in front of Cohen. Trump didn't know the 15 year old was Cohen's daughter. When Cohen retorted "That's my daughter!" Trump said well she's hot.
It seems, at times, Cohen plays the Donald protector even after everything Donald did to him.