BWAHAHAHA Krasnov Doesn't Get Aileen Cannon To Hear His WSJ Lawsuit

[gab13by13]

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Bwahahaha, he filed in the southern district of Florida where he hoped to get Eh-Lean Cannon to take care of him.

Judge Darrin P. Gayles is no Eileen Cannon, he is a Barrack Obama appointed judge, and he is a black man.

Let's see how long it takes Krasnov to drop this case, or to beg that Gayles should recuse so he can get his mommy judge back.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-sought-a-friendly-judge-he-got-someone-who-s-seen-the-trump-show-ex-prosecutor/ar-AA1J1VbP?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=687efc00745b4d61b05abcb0a02742e6&ei=15

[hatrack]

1. Finally! Something random in the judicial system breaking our way.

About. Fucking. Time.

[Walleye]

2. Expecting all out attack on the judge's family

[Hugin]

5. The serious side to this...

Yep. It’s a given.

[John1956PA]

3. Krassenuff's judicial forum-shopping psychosis is disgusting. I am glad this one backfired on him.

[Mr. Joe Steel]

11. Forum-shopping is an abomination.

We can't say we have a "justice" system when the outcome of process depends on the personalities involved. Justice shouldn't depend on the prejudices of the judges.

[DeeDeeNY]

22. Judges' personalities were never supposed to influence decisions

They were supposed to be impartial, which was almost always the case up until Rump came on the scene.

[Hugin]

4. "Unfair!" "Fake news!" "Why are you all turning against me!"

I am off to buy some ketchup futures with Hawk Tuahs.

[BoRaGard]

7. And it echoed throughout maga-manland (R): "unfair, unfair, waah, unfair."

such a petulant little spoiled republican brat, born with a golden putter up his butt.

His routine "unfair" schtick is so old. Only a true sucker would buy into it at this point.

[sl8]

6. How did you get 50:50 odds? The source actually says it was unlikely that Cannon would get the case.

There are more than 20 judges available to hear cases in the Southern District of Florida.

The Daily Beast article is based on Kirshner's video, which refers to the Politico article, which says that assignment to Cannon would have been unlikely.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/21/wall-street-lawsuit-judge-donald-trump-00465363

This is what Kirschner quotes:

Trump’s decision to file the case in southern Florida led to suspicions he was hoping to draw U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, his own appointee who helped him escape criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith. But Trump’s attorney Alejandro Brito — the same lawyer who led the ill-fated Cohen suit — filed the case in the Miami division of the federal judicial district of south Florida. Cannon sits in the Fort Pierce district, making it unlikely she would have been selected under the court’s assignment process."

[gab13by13]

9. Yeah a drawback to my getting a lot of my news listening to it,

I heard someone say 50-50 on freespeechtv.org. The person must have been exaggerating.

I know this from memory; the odds were not 20-1 when she was chosen to hear the documents case. I believe they were 4-1.

[sl8]

10. OK.

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To be clear, I'm not suggesting that the odds were 20:1 against, I don't think the total number of judges available is the only factor in assignmrnts.

Here are the District's procedures, including their judge selection process (pdf):

https://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/sites/flsd/files/17-10-17-Internal-Operating-Procedures.pdf

[TheRickles]

14. Thanks for the link. And per Google AI, it's an automated randomization process,

so no human biases are involved.

[gab13by13]

16. Timing by Trump's lawyers

made the odds better for getting Cannon in the documents case. Where and when the suit is filed makes a difference.

My bottom line is that it is still judge shopping. Filing in Florida compared with filing in New York is judge shopping. Was the WSJ crime against Krasnov committed in New York or in Florida?

[gab13by13]

15. I remember this and it got little coverage,

The way Cannon was selected for the documents case was slightly out of the normal. I remember the way Trump's lawyers submitted the case to the Clerk of Court was different than normal, I believe they hand delivered it to him/her. I believe they did this differently to make the timing favorable to get Cannon.

I tried finding more information to refresh my memory with no success.

Pretty sure the odds were around 4-1 when Cannon was selected for the documents case.

[sl8]

19. Here's a blurb from The Hill about how/why Cannon was assigned to the documents case:

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4052380-how-trump-ended-up-with-judge-cannon/

How Trump ended up with Judge Cannon

by James D. Zirin, opinion contributor - 06/16/23 12:30 PM ET

[...]

Smith weighed the options, and, mindful of the play clock, did not want to waste precious time with venue motions and possible appeals. Under Section 2.01.01 (a) of Internal Operating Procedures of the Florida court, criminal cases are supposed to be assigned by the clerk on a “blind random basis.” So he rolled the dice on Florida, calculating his one in 26 odds of drawing the dreaded Judge Cannon were pretty good. The problem is, as they said in “The Music Man,” he didn’t know the territory. The odds were really as short as three to one against drawing Cannon.

The catch is that the Southern District of Florida is administratively divided into five divisions: Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach, Key West and Fort Pierce. This is supposed to be for the convenience of the parties and their lawyers, and has no other legal significance.

Cannon is the only judge sitting in Fort Pierce, which is in St. Lucie County, 68 miles north of Palm Beach and 128 miles north of Miami. But, for the purpose of assigning judges, Fort Pierce is treated as part of the neighboring Palm Beach Division. There are three federal district judges in Palm Beach, one of whom is a senior judge. What Smith did not know, or failed sufficiently to appreciate, is that the pool of judges administratively eligible to try the case was not 26 but four. (If you remove from consideration the senior judge, the eligible pool narrows to three.) The grand jury that returned the Trump indictment sat in Miami because the courthouse facilities were more accommodating than those in Palm Beach, but an administrative order deemed the investigation a Palm Beach inquiry.

[...]

[TheRickles]

24. Thank you! I've been wondering about this for a long time. :-(

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Here is the caveat of the SDFL

(in relation to where Jack Smith had filed and how he ended up with her) -

Florida jury pool could give Trump an advantage in classified documents case

AP
Miami - SEP 19, 2023 - 18:17 EDT

(snip)

“Picking a jury is an art. It’s not a science. And whether you’re a prosecutor or a defense attorney, you use everything in your arsenal to seat the best jury you can get for your case,” said Michael Sherwin, a former federal prosecutor in Miami who served during the Trump administration as acting U.S. Attorney in Washington.

“You want to ensure that you have the best people in that jury box that are going to be receptive to your message. So from that perspective, if I’m DOJ, I’d much rather have a Miami jury pool than a Fort Pierce jury pool,” he added.

Given its sprawling geographic size, the district has five courthouses — in Key West, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach and Fort Pierce. The indictment itself was filed in West Palm, the city with the closest courthouse to Mar-a-Lago.

It was then randomly assigned to Cannon, who despite sitting in Fort Pierce also hears cases in West Palm, the clerk’s office said in an email to The Associated Press.

(snip)

So as long as one stays away from filing in either West Palm Beach or Ft. Pierce, then they are good to go not getting Loose Cannon!

[malaise]

8. Good

Rec

[gab13by13]

12. Oh dear,

Judge Gayles is a black, gay man. I'm also going for the ketchup stock.

[onenote]

13. Trump's lawyers filed the case in the Miami Division, not Fort Pierce.

Cannon sits in Fort Pierce. Even if you included her with the judges assigned to the Miami Division, there are something like 17 judges, active or senior, to whom the case could've been assigned.

Not sure where you got the idea it was 50-50 to get Cannon, but that's just plainly wrong and you should edit your post.

[gab13by13]

17. Thank you, fixed.

Then where did Trump file for the documents case? Was he allowed to file in the Fort Pierce district which didn't have the accommodations that Miami would have had? Weren't the odds in that case like 4-1? Shouldn't the case be filed where the crime was committed? Who determines that?

Here's what I think I heard. The odds were 50-50 that if Krasnov filed in Miami he would get a pro-Trump judge.

He was allowed to file his documents case in Fort Pierce where he also had better odds.

There needs to be a freaking law that restricts judge shopping. The case should be filed where the crime was committed, PERIOD.

Did the WSJ commit the crime in Miami?

[BumRushDaShow]

23. "He was allowed to file his documents case in Fort Pierce where he also had better odds."

He actually filed in West Palm Beach, which was the closest courthouse to Mar-a-lago. But it just so happened that Cannon, despite sitting in Ft. Pierce, also hears cases filed in West Palm Beach.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20503257

[onenote]

28. It's both complicated and simple.

The first court case filed in the documents matter was Trump's August 2022 civil suit seeking a special master to review the documents seized at Mar-a-Lago earlier that month. The seizure took place in Palm Beach County, so that was the venue for the civil suit. As others have explained, Fort Pierce, where Cannon sits, is lumped in with the Palm Beach division for purposes of assigning judges. The criminal case, brought in 2023 was filed by Smith in Palm Beach, again primarily because the documents were seized in Palm Beach.

Why did Trump's lawyers file the defamation case in Miami? You'd have to ask them. Venue in a suit brought against a media entity that publishes nationally can be proper almost anywhere that the defamatory statement was available.

[MaineNative]

18. SC Justice?

I heard that floated around yesterday. Don't celebrate this one just yet.

[UTUSN]

20. Knr

[peggysue2]

25. I was listening to Legal AF last night

Michael Popok (lawyer) heads the podcast though it's a satellite broadcast of Meidas Touch network. Popok's take (he's been pretty astute on a wide range of legal/Trump matters) is that the Mad King filed in Miami deliberately because the infamous Cannon is in his back pocket for Bondi's replacement or a seat on SCOTUS.

Either nomination would be a nightmare but the SCOTUS position would be a lifetime horror.

So, they rolled the dice hoping they'd get a conservative/Trump friendly judge and wound up with an Obama judge, Darrin Gales.

Hoisted with his own petard.

[Ocelot II]

26. The case was filed in the Miami division; Cannon is in the Fort Pierce division.

So of course she wouldn't be hearing the WSJ case.

[live love laugh]

29. Can he withdraw the case and resubmit it hoping to get lucky?