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demmiblue

(38,586 posts)
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:06 PM Jul 17

Nancy Pelosi characterizes the Epstein scandal and seeming coverup as "a distraction" from kitchen table issues

Nancy Pelosi characterizes the Epstein scandal and seeming coverup as "a distraction" from kitchen table issues

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-07-17T17:42:12.030Z


Yeah, definitely wouldn’t want to exploit the first real fracture between Trump and his base.

Kevin M. Kruse (@kevinmkruse.bsky.social) 2025-07-17T18:17:13.743Z
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Nancy Pelosi characterizes the Epstein scandal and seeming coverup as "a distraction" from kitchen table issues (Original Post) demmiblue Jul 17 OP
Big 'distraction!' elleng Jul 17 #1
Evidence she needs to be no longer relevant in politics --- her and all the other old fogies. nt in2herbs Jul 17 #2
No it Is NOT. Nancy Pelosi Shouldn't be Cha Jul 17 #20
The transcript, Cha. sheshe2 Jul 17 #45
Wow.. Nancy is making some Excellent Points. Cha Jul 18 #46
That's why I needed to find the transcript, it's easier for me to read than hear. sheshe2 Jul 18 #48
I get more out of something like Cha Jul 18 #50
Ooops, sorry! I fixed the link. sheshe2 Jul 18 #49
No Worries.. TY! Cha Jul 18 #51
Exactly. MorbidButterflyTat Jul 18 #68
At best, it's a serious lapse in judgement. GaYellowDawg Jul 18 #56
Yes, there is. The protection of our children and justice for the 1000+ victims of Epstein and those on his client list. artemisia1 Jul 18 #65
Speaker Emerita is correct. The trump administration is desperately trying to change the subject... Hekate Jul 17 #3
David Hogg watches this and shakes his head... Arazi Jul 17 #4
Keeping the powder dry -- again. Duncan Grant Jul 17 #5
I happen to agree with Nancy.... FarPoint Jul 17 #6
It worked against Hillary. It worked against Kerry. LuvLoogie Jul 17 #40
In another time, she would be absolutely correct. harumph Jul 17 #7
I have no problem with this EarlG Jul 17 #8
I agree with this. As strategy. I do think there is a crack in the base that absolutely should be exploited. It can't be tulipsandroses Jul 17 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jul 18 #63
Sigh. madibella Jul 17 #9
Every kitchen table discussing it, but the elites Johonny Jul 17 #10
She doesn't need to talk about it newdeal2 Jul 17 #11
What's with this bipartisanship when it comes to lack of transparency? fujiyamasan Jul 17 #12
About time for her to retire Ritabert Jul 17 #13
No it is NOT. nt Cha Jul 17 #21
We need some younger people in there and I'm old Ritabert Jul 17 #22
Of course we do.. but that doesn't mean Cha Jul 17 #41
If I hear someone kacekwl Jul 17 #14
THANK YOU Skittles Jul 17 #24
+1 leftstreet Jul 17 #26
Plus, statistically... regnaD kciN Jul 17 #33
That phrase make me cringe too fujiyamasan Jul 17 #43
I agree with Kevin Kruse. This falls into the same category as "TACO", where some of us Mike 03 Jul 17 #15
Like Schumer, past the freshness date. NewHendoLib Jul 17 #16
I think she's correct. hunter Jul 17 #17
We are not involved Keepthesoulalive Jul 17 #30
It's well past the time for popcorn. hunter Jul 17 #36
The drama with Trump and MAGA Keepthesoulalive Jul 17 #44
Another one for the "this is why we lose" file BannonsLiver Jul 17 #18
I really respect her contributions but that answer makes it clear ecstatic Jul 17 #19
LONG PAST TIME Skittles Jul 17 #25
Yeah I'm pissed about the use of the word "distraction" here fujiyamasan Jul 18 #47
I don't agree with her on this one. Baitball Blogger Jul 17 #23
Please elaborate on those kitchen table issues Aviation Pro Jul 17 #27
So what's she throwing on the table? leftstreet Jul 17 #28
If it wasn't important to Trump Henry203 Jul 17 #29
a distraction perhaps, for those B.See Jul 17 #32
Just kick back and watch. If it breaks MAGA what could go wrong? rickyhall Jul 17 #34
Minimizing the Epstein case as a distraction johnnyfins Jul 17 #35
Here's a thought: discuss both. I know, what? flvegan Jul 17 #37
Is she still in the House? I thought she said she was retiring several years ago. jalan48 Jul 17 #38
She's wrong on this JustAnotherGen Jul 17 #39
Can we change the term! Traildogbob Jul 17 #42
More like sitting on the sofa with a laptop and/or phone Arazi Jul 18 #61
I Hear you! Traildogbob Jul 18 #66
Sounds comfy and perfectly perfect ❤️ Arazi Jul 18 #67
Why can't more than one thing be happening ? JI7 Jul 18 #52
Here's a distraction. "Her Emails". Ingore it and it will go away. usonian Jul 18 #53
Doing what Trump wants? Who is she protecting? Blue Full Moon Jul 18 #54
it does seem odd Skittles Jul 18 #55
Could have / should have phrased her response better Auggie Jul 18 #57
Reminds me when Dumbya invaded Iraq and then torture videos, NP said we need to Move Forward msfiddlestix Jul 18 #58
That's what I think!!! Entertaining, yes, like a soap opera. BUT!!!!!! nt LAS14 Jul 18 #59
Same, it doesn't hit the pockets or civil / voting rights It's deprioritized in my book uponit7771 Jul 18 #60
Right now, Americans are absorbed by the Epstein files drama Deminpenn Jul 18 #62
it's not a fucking GAME, it's not a fucking STRATEGY Skittles Jul 18 #64
Disingenuous MorbidButterflyTat Jul 18 #69

in2herbs

(3,860 posts)
2. Evidence she needs to be no longer relevant in politics --- her and all the other old fogies. nt
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:11 PM
Jul 17

Cha

(313,263 posts)
20. No it Is NOT. Nancy Pelosi Shouldn't be
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 05:02 PM
Jul 17

discarded and "other old figures" just because we don't agree with her.

I happen to think We can Multitask. but Not going to throw Nancy Pelosi Aside.

sheshe2

(93,026 posts)
45. The transcript, Cha.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:37 PM
Jul 17

Last edited Fri Jul 18, 2025, 02:02 AM - Edit history (1)

snip/

We have major issues right here with the things we're voting on today in the Congress, again, in terms of the rescission that the president and the Senate have sent back over us to cut all of these resources out of helping poor people throughout the world to be -- America play its leadership role in soft power to keep us safe and to keep us healthy, so that we -- viruses know no boundary.


snip/

PELOSI: No, I think they're both distractions.

I think they're both -- I don't think she's going to Alcatraz -- I think she's planned to do that. But I think that they're both off the subject of what is happening, changing the character and the culture of America by undermining, by placing huge trillions of dollars of national debt on -- for future generations to carry forward, at the expense of the health, nutrition, education of the American people.

And I will just make this further point. Nothing brings more money to the treasury than the education of the American people, whether it's early childhood K-12, higher education, post-grad, lifetime learning for our workers. Nothing brings more money.

And yet they and their friends in the court are undermining public education in our country. So we're talking about judgment. We're talking about no vision, no values. And, again, with some of the things they're doing, it's not the price only. It's the money. It's the money that they're using for frivolous ideas like the Alcatraz idea.

And, again, it's important. It's important to me. It's in my district. But it's not urgent, the way it is urgent for us to cut the -- to get rid of the cuts that they have made in our budget that meet the needs of the American people.


More: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/07/17/pelosi_on_epstein_this_is_a_distraction_we_have_major_issues_right_here.html


She is trying to deal with what is in front of Congress right now! Millions will die unless we can stop this.

Fact is we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Cha

(313,263 posts)
46. Wow.. Nancy is making some Excellent Points.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:24 AM
Jul 18

Last edited Fri Jul 18, 2025, 01:56 AM - Edit history (1)

Before anyone says she should "retire" they should be Aware of the Whole Picture.

And, Yeah, it's not about cutting costs.. It's about Destroying America For Vlad Putin.. Our US Government Got Overtaken by Neo nazis.. Who the Fuck knew...

Hillary, Biden, and Kamala & We Did for Starters.

Mahalo, she.. I Appreciate this so Much!

sheshe2

(93,026 posts)
48. That's why I needed to find the transcript, it's easier for me to read than hear.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 01:51 AM
Jul 18

I think some people just read the headline and did not listen to the full interview.

We can't focus on one thing, we need to know what is happening on all fronts so we can address them. She stresses that in her last paragraph. Gawd knows they are bombarding us with these issues daily! We need to work together as a team.

TY, Cha.

Cha

(313,263 posts)
50. I get more out of something like
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 02:13 AM
Jul 18

this when I read it, too... especially this one.. So TY, she!

We Do Need to Work Together.. Why I don't like any dragging On Dems with Divisive tactics like calling them "Establishment".

So what they're Established .. They're Working for our Democracy! That shouldn't be a dirty word'

💙

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,375 posts)
68. Exactly.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:24 PM
Jul 18

This OP is disingenuous and the Blue Sky or whatever fake twitter posts are simply shallow excuses to crap on a dedicated and productive Dem.

Sick of that shit.

GaYellowDawg

(5,031 posts)
56. At best, it's a serious lapse in judgement.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 04:24 AM
Jul 18

This isn't merely a distraction. It is an issue that has the potential to split MAGA wide open and allow us to retake Congress in 2026, and there is literally nothing more important than that.

artemisia1

(1,106 posts)
65. Yes, there is. The protection of our children and justice for the 1000+ victims of Epstein and those on his client list.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:22 PM
Jul 18

Hekate

(98,680 posts)
3. Speaker Emerita is correct. The trump administration is desperately trying to change the subject...
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:12 PM
Jul 17

Just name a subject and they are trying to change it. I just hope to God that for once in our lifetime as Democrats we can focus on more than one thing at a time.

The Epstein cover up is important — keep digging. But removing all semblance of a social safety net (what Nancy is talking about) is equally important, if not more so. Children are already going hungry — please, Democrats, don’t let one thing drive out another.

Arazi

(8,207 posts)
4. David Hogg watches this and shakes his head...
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:14 PM
Jul 17

… along with a boatload of the rest of us.




(Pssst Nancy, Dems can and should do both ffs!)

FarPoint

(14,128 posts)
6. I happen to agree with Nancy....
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:18 PM
Jul 17

Lot of talk about it with no evidence of action to expose...all just chatter....chatter information that has been known for say 8 years... distration is what I called it from the get-go this news cycle in June/July.

LuvLoogie

(8,170 posts)
40. It worked against Hillary. It worked against Kerry.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:40 PM
Jul 17

It worked against Joe. It worked against Kamala.

harumph

(2,880 posts)
7. In another time, she would be absolutely correct.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:20 PM
Jul 17

But maybe Democrats will now realize we're in a shit flinging match, and honestly nobody gives a shit about policies when our basic rights are being
abridged and we are becoming an autocratic state. Bear in mind I don't like shit flinging - but that's the price of persuasion unfortunately... in this country at least.

EarlG

(23,076 posts)
8. I have no problem with this
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:24 PM
Jul 17

The MAGAs are cooking nicely all on their own with a select few Democrats (like Ro Khanna) stirring the pot.

IMO, we don't want them to start wondering why they're suddenly standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Nancy Pelosi, of all people. My worry is that it will make MAGAs suspicious, and we don't want them to switch their position and start agreeing with Trump that this is some kind of Democratic hoax/set up.

Plus, there are probably a lot of Americans who would rather talk about kitchen table issues than talk about Jeffrey Epstein right now. I don't think it's a bad thing for Nancy Pelosi to stay out of this at the moment. Let the MAGAs abandon Trump without them having to worry that doing so will align them with liberal Democrats that they hate.

tulipsandroses

(7,770 posts)
31. I agree with this. As strategy. I do think there is a crack in the base that absolutely should be exploited. It can't be
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:25 PM
Jul 17

by people they see as enemies though. They have a lot of contempt for Pelosi - I think its wise to let the younger Dems, especially the ones they may not yet consider " establishment".

Nick Fuentes is telling his supporters not to vote for republicans - Let them cook - as the kids say, but don't stay out of the fray completely.

Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #31)

Johonny

(24,264 posts)
10. Every kitchen table discussing it, but the elites
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:26 PM
Jul 17

Maybe she should visit more working class kitchen tables.

newdeal2

(3,463 posts)
11. She doesn't need to talk about it
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:31 PM
Jul 17

This is not material for her or Chuck. They are no good with it and should stay away.

This is a job for the younger folks who know how to use it effectively.

fujiyamasan

(515 posts)
12. What's with this bipartisanship when it comes to lack of transparency?
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:35 PM
Jul 17

I used to value Pelosi’s political judgment but maybe age is catching up to her.

If this is her attitude toward this, I don’t see her and The old guard actually taking advantage of anything. I hope Jeffries is not taking Pelosi’s advice here.

People want answers over Epstein. I’m glad some democrats are pushing to get the files released (if Barr didn’t destroy them years ago).

kacekwl

(8,474 posts)
14. If I hear someone
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:41 PM
Jul 17

say kitchen table issues again I'm going to scream. It's not 1970 anymore.

regnaD kciN

(27,199 posts)
33. Plus, statistically...
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:28 PM
Jul 17

…it has been demonstrated conclusively that Democrats have been vastly superior on “kitchen-table issues” since, I don’t know, the 1930s? Certainly since the 1990s. And it hasn’t kept us from losing four of the last seven presidential elections, not the least because anything we may point out gets overwhelmed by a torrent of “iNfLaTiOn Is OuT oF cOnTrOl!!!” rhetoric from Faux and the other purveyors of right-wing propaganda non-stop any time a Democrat is in power.

fujiyamasan

(515 posts)
43. That phrase make me cringe too
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:44 PM
Jul 17

Do politicians (especially someone of Pelosi’s wealth) picture us ordinary people as sitting around a kitchen table balancing a checkbook? I mean I don’t really get it.

If Dem politicians are in the process of reflection after the last election, maybe they can consider dropping phrases like “kitchen table economics”.

Mike 03

(18,641 posts)
15. I agree with Kevin Kruse. This falls into the same category as "TACO", where some of us
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jul 17

ridiculed and attacked Trump because he backed away from implementing policies we despised in the first place.

hunter

(39,718 posts)
17. I think she's correct.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 04:01 PM
Jul 17

I expect a faked "Epstein List" will be released which will reignite this firestorm and distract us from everything that is worse.

Remember what happened to Dan Rather and Sixty Minutes with regards to Bush's National Guard Service?

This will be an extreme version of that.

We already know Trump is a disgusting rapist. The "Barely Legal" crowd loves him for that, and they love the idea of a fascist white "America" too. That's the life-or-death situation we have to face head on.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,588 posts)
30. We are not involved
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:22 PM
Jul 17

This is their fight and I am grabbing the popcorn. I would advise madam Pelosi to do the same. We might egg them on from the sidelines a little but this is their reckoning that their god king is full of it and he used them. So step aside lady.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,588 posts)
44. The drama with Trump and MAGA
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:14 PM
Jul 17

We cannot influence, but we can watch them get a clue. They knew what he was and they celebrated that malevolence. Now he is refusing to pay the debt as he always does and they are pissed. What he and his minions have done to this country may never be fixed , all I can do is watch and take satisfaction in the finding out phase. He cannot control the monster he created. The only thing we can do to help our country is vote.

ecstatic

(34,869 posts)
19. I really respect her contributions but that answer makes it clear
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 04:37 PM
Jul 17

that it's time to retire.

She's right: We do have a LOT of issues to deal with, but the coverup of a pedophile list is NOT a distraction, especially if the predators are still on the street.

If we ever want to come back from the wilderness, we can't have out of touch folks or folks who can't walk and chew gum at the same time speaking for us.

fujiyamasan

(515 posts)
47. Yeah I'm pissed about the use of the word "distraction" here
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 01:39 AM
Jul 18

Rather than simply saying something to the effect of, “Americans deserve to know the truth”, she says it’s a distraction that people are finally talking about Epstein and his relationship with Trump?

I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking deal when you have three administrations now (and yes I include Biden here in between the two Trump terms) not being very transparent who this “financier” pedophile is. Why was he hanging out with celebs, prominent members of academia, businesspeople, and politicians, and what were his possible connections to foreign intel services?

I really hope Pelosi doesn’t run again. If she doesnt understand why this story resonates with people, it’s time for the old guard to go.

Baitball Blogger

(50,591 posts)
23. I don't agree with her on this one.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:06 PM
Jul 17

Epstein issue can bring Trump down. Dems should go balls to the wall and keep it alive.

But, might I say that it's so typical of Pelosi. Walking away from the fight, is not the way to go...this time.

Aviation Pro

(14,586 posts)
27. Please elaborate on those kitchen table issues
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:17 PM
Jul 17

Because I bet what she thinks is not reality around most kitchens.

leftstreet

(36,896 posts)
28. So what's she throwing on the table?
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:18 PM
Jul 17

Medicare For All?

$25 hr min wage?

4 day workweek?

Yeah, I thought so...



Henry203

(661 posts)
29. If it wasn't important to Trump
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:20 PM
Jul 17

Then we would have not seen his reaction. If you change it to kitchen table issues you are changing the subject which Trump wants to do. When he is down keep kicking him where it hurts.

johnnyfins

(2,520 posts)
35. Minimizing the Epstein case as a distraction
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:32 PM
Jul 17

is minimizing all of the victims who had their lives destroyed. Sorry Speaker Emerita, but you're wrong.

flvegan

(65,153 posts)
37. Here's a thought: discuss both. I know, what?
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:38 PM
Jul 17

And I'm sorry, if top level dems DON'T discuss it or if they treat it like a distraction, it almost makes it sound like having a pedophile for a president isn't worthy of discussion. "Dems don't care about pedophiles raping your young teen daughters! Next on Hannity."

Traildogbob

(11,569 posts)
42. Can we change the term!
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:12 PM
Jul 17

Kitchen table issues just sounds ancient. Lots of young voters don’t even have a kitchen table and single people do not sit there and think about issues.
Maybe it’s just me. Never ever sit at my kitchen table. But, I guess it does have a purpose, just laying my “Paid last month pile and my to be paid this month pile” on the table. So, they are issues. Never mind.

Arazi

(8,207 posts)
61. More like sitting on the sofa with a laptop and/or phone
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 04:12 PM
Jul 18

Working up a spreadsheet if you’re trained for that. Or looking up what you charged on credit cards last month or e-paid.

Nobody’s piling receipts and cash into envelopes, stashed in a shoebox.

Just ollllddddd….

Traildogbob

(11,569 posts)
66. I Hear you!
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:36 PM
Jul 18

Especially a single old guy. I eat in the living room area in my big chair All one big area. 800 sq ft cottage. All ya can afford as a career Faculty in NC, retired.
But it’s all mine.

Arazi

(8,207 posts)
67. Sounds comfy and perfectly perfect ❤️
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:40 PM
Jul 18

But yah, even as a retired guy the “kitchen table” trope doesn’t work.

JI7

(92,363 posts)
52. Why can't more than one thing be happening ?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 02:22 AM
Jul 18

Not everything that might take attention away from something is a distraction.

We can talk about health care, the immigration raids and Trump and Epstein and many more things.

I would say the Grreenland stuff was a distraction. But Epstein stuff is a serious matter. Trump has already been found guilty of rape. He has publicly bragged about assaulting women.

usonian

(19,368 posts)
53. Here's a distraction. "Her Emails". Ingore it and it will go away.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 02:44 AM
Jul 18

It didn't.

Comey et. al. need to undo 4 1/2 years of hell and hitler.

Some distractions blow up real good.

Bernie and AOC are all over the country pounding on real world issues. I want running backs, tight ends and receivers moving the ball forward.

They're in motion. And some are stirring the pot.

Action. That's what it's all about.

msfiddlestix

(8,116 posts)
58. Reminds me when Dumbya invaded Iraq and then torture videos, NP said we need to Move Forward
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:09 AM
Jul 18

Those of us outraged over all of it, were and still are regarded as "the RADICAL LEFT"

Right.

uponit7771

(93,104 posts)
60. Same, it doesn't hit the pockets or civil / voting rights It's deprioritized in my book
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 03:57 PM
Jul 18

Deminpenn

(16,933 posts)
62. Right now, Americans are absorbed by the Epstein files drama
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 04:20 PM
Jul 18

It's a world class conspiracy theory and has the added benefit of setting MAGAts against each other. Sit back and enjoy.

There's plenty of time to talk about kitchen table issues. In fact, Dems won't even have to talk about them because by the time Nov 2026 rolls around, everyone will be feeling the impact on their wallets of what Trump and his sheep in congress did. And they'll know who did it. And they won't believe what Trump tells them because he "betrayed" them by not releasing the Epstein files.

Skittles

(166,336 posts)
64. it's not a fucking GAME, it's not a fucking STRATEGY
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 04:48 PM
Jul 18

the real issue is YOUNG GIRLS WERE TRAFFICKED FOR SEX by RICH PERVERTS

WHY the fuck are SO many people willing to overlook this?

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