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Maraya1969

(23,305 posts)
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 01:38 AM Jun 20

Please people if someone asks you "What is a woman" the answer is a person who identifies

as a woman. That is it. Physicality doesn't matter and you can remind people that plenty of women undergo hysterectomies and lose their breasts because of cancer or the knowledge that they will eventually get cancer.

A trans woman I know wrote her story online and she told how one day when she was very young she heard her father saying, "We need to do something about that boy and they way he acts so feminine" She had 3 other brothers and she remembers thinking, "I wonder which of my brothers he is talking about?

Why did she think he was talking about one of her brothers? Because she was a girl so it couldn't be her! Her identity was of a girl. It never occurred to her that she had been labelled a boy, although she would find out later in life. And that is when the suffering started

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Please people if someone asks you "What is a woman" the answer is a person who identifies (Original Post) Maraya1969 Jun 20 OP
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It's more complicated than chromosomes TommyT139 Jun 20 #2
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There is not. There are other combination other than XX and XY. Educate yourself NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #4
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A worthy topic for discussion TommyT139 Jun 20 #8
No. There are many other options besides XX/XY, and genotype is not phenotype. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 20 #5
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NOTHING is determinative of gender or "male/female"'and that's the point WhiskeyGrinder Jun 20 #11
all I know is Skittles Jun 20 #9
And here I thought the correct answer to that question was misanthrope Jun 20 #10
Scientific American has a good article on this topic: LastDemocratInSC Jun 20 #12
That article is fantastic. Is there a way to share it without the link? GaYellowDawg Jun 20 #19
I don't know the answer to your question. LastDemocratInSC Jun 20 #20
A followup ... LastDemocratInSC Jun 20 #21
Check your library databases Iris Jun 20 #29
A person asks that, ask them first to define the word man Walleye Jun 20 #13
I don't care how people identify and what their reasons are. Irish_Dem Jun 20 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 20 #22
I think Tim Walz said it best: In Minnesota we mind our own damn business. Irish_Dem Jun 20 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 20 #24
I think Walz handled it the best. Irish_Dem Jun 20 #25
I believe gender, sexual or biological identity don't always align perfectly, so, that's what I say I believe. RoeVWade Jun 20 #15
My answer? Ferryboat Jun 20 #16
The question " what is a woman " is incorrect dweller Jun 20 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 20 #18
One should answer: "What is a closeminded bigot? I'm talking to one!" DSandra Jun 20 #26
This should be said louder. POLICING WOMANHOOD is the primary objective Maru Kitteh Jun 20 #31
Anyone asking probably really doesn't want an answer. I would just say mind your fucking business. tulipsandroses Jun 20 #27
Right there with you. MorbidButterflyTat Jun 21 #33
If someone asks me this question DenaliDemocrat Jun 20 #28
I can't imagine that question coming up in my world. Fla_Democrat Jun 20 #30
You be you.... KentuckyWoman Jun 21 #32

Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

TommyT139

(1,634 posts)
2. It's more complicated than chromosomes
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 01:52 AM
Jun 20

...and mostly irrelevant. Gender is not sex. Even sex is not a "hard biological truth."

The post is about women, not "females."

Response to TommyT139 (Reply #2)

Response to NoRethugFriends (Reply #4)

TommyT139

(1,634 posts)
8. A worthy topic for discussion
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 02:48 AM
Jun 20

...but the original post was about women (and I suppose men), not what constitutes markers of sex.

But to the chromosome chat, I suggest that other factors play in, like hormones, the interplay of chromosomes and hormones on the body's development, and so on. My chromosomes might be XX, although I've never had them tested, but I guarantee you would not think I belong in the women's restroom.

Anyway, if the Trumpists get their way, presumed chromosomal sex will be the determiner, so to me that's reason alone to look for a more nuanced perspective.

They really seem obsessed with the topic, when really one's chromosomes don't really impact daily life much at all, for the vast majority of people anyway.

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #5)

misanthrope

(8,930 posts)
10. And here I thought the correct answer to that question was
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 03:12 AM
Jun 20

"A subset of the general group of human beings."

GaYellowDawg

(5,023 posts)
19. That article is fantastic. Is there a way to share it without the link?
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jun 20

I'm in my final year of teaching next year, and I would like to hand this paper out to my classes because I'll basically be able to take risks that someone else couldn't.

LastDemocratInSC

(4,082 posts)
20. I don't know the answer to your question.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 04:53 PM
Jun 20

I just tried to open the article and got a page about "Already got a subscription?". That's the first time I have seen that. I've shared the link with others on several occasions and neither I nor they got that page. Maybe you can find it in a library.

LastDemocratInSC

(4,082 posts)
21. A followup ...
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 05:11 PM
Jun 20

I can open the article using my desktop computer using the URL in the first message. I get the subscription page on my Android device. I know the article was published on October 22, 2018. The author is Claire Ainsworth.

The subscription page has an offer of 90 days of access for $1.

Irish_Dem

(72,217 posts)
14. I don't care how people identify and what their reasons are.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 06:12 AM
Jun 20

People can do what they want for whatever reason in terms of self identification.

Doesn't hurt me in the least.

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #14)

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #23)

Irish_Dem

(72,217 posts)
25. I think Walz handled it the best.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 06:49 PM
Jun 20

Make it a non issue.
Not our business.

Also I do not think this is the issue we should be addressing.

We should be asking why did we let PutinTrumpGOP steal the election and how did they do it.

This is the only issue we should be addressing.
The rest is BS.
Don't fall for it.

RoeVWade

(546 posts)
15. I believe gender, sexual or biological identity don't always align perfectly, so, that's what I say I believe.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:07 AM
Jun 20

And that everyone deserves the same amount of respect.

If someone wants to make me give another answer, that's their problem, and I actually do believe what I said.

dweller

(26,832 posts)
17. The question " what is a woman " is incorrect
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 09:45 AM
Jun 20

The correct question is “ who is a woman “

Discussion in depth here :
https://www.the-reframe.com/shows-of-weakness/

Question: What is a woman?
Answer: A woman is not a what. A woman is a who.


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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

DSandra

(1,626 posts)
26. One should answer: "What is a closeminded bigot? I'm talking to one!"
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 06:57 PM
Jun 20

The fuck with a privileged white man like Matt Walsh who thinks he can police womanhood!

Maru Kitteh

(30,368 posts)
31. This should be said louder. POLICING WOMANHOOD is the primary objective
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 11:19 PM
Jun 20

Got to keep the cattle in the pen.


tulipsandroses

(7,638 posts)
27. Anyone asking probably really doesn't want an answer. I would just say mind your fucking business.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:17 PM
Jun 20

Don't you have a cross to burn or some white sheets to wash?
I don't have any more patience left for these fools.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,656 posts)
28. If someone asks me this question
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:48 PM
Jun 20

I’m not answering. It’s not my business what people call themselves.

KentuckyWoman

(7,113 posts)
32. You be you....
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 12:09 AM
Jun 21

I could hunt and fish better than any male in the family and could handle a team better than them too... in a Sunday dress even. I was so fortunate to grow up in a family that encouraged us kids to just be who we are. Everyone deserves that.

Recently encountered a younger who told me they were "they, them" and I tripped over it quite a lot. I was lucky they gave me grace due to being 80 something and trying hard. There will be as next time and hopefully it is easier.

People should be free to just be who they are as long as they aren't mean hateful garbage heads.


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