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H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:46 PM 19 hrs ago

A Yellow Cake Walk

"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.” – Vice President Richard Cheney

“In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more.” – Dick Cheney

“We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will. We've got to spend time in the shadows ….” – Dick Cheney

“I was a big supporter of waterboarding. I was a big supporter of enhanced interrogation techniques …...” – Dick Cheney


I could, of course, go on and on. Everyone here old enough to remember the US's unprovoked attack on Iraq can. We recall the neoconservatives' Project for a New American Century (PNAC). They released a statement of their objectives when Bush the Elder was president. They pressured President Clinton. And ten of their ilk served in the Bush-Cheney administration.

Many of the now-necroconservatives in the administration, including VP Cheney, were intent on upon the PNAC goal of invading Iraq. They proposed that Ahmed Chalabi be installed as the new Iraqi leader. What could go wrong? It was learned that Chalabi was actually an Iranian intelligence operative, and everything he said was a lie. Oh well.

Condi Rice warned that we could not wait for a mushroom cloud. George W. was mad that Saddam had wanted to kill his father. Dick Cheney played point for the military defense industry and big oil. Taking over Iraq would be a cakewalk. Just ask Donald Rumsfeld. Paul Wolfowitz drew up the plans for the military invasion. With Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz in charge, democracy was sure to flow “in a matter of weeks, not months.”

But then a “retired ambassador” for the CIA, oops! State Department spoke up. Joe Wilson had confronted Saddam before. He had gone to Africa to investigate if Iraq actually had bought a bunch of that pesky yellow cake decorated as a mushroom cloud. It was all a lie. So Dick Cheney had his right hand man Scooter Libby work to punish Mr. Wilson by exposing that his wife was a CIA agent. It would develop into the largest scandal of the Bush-Cheney era. Libby was charged and convicted of several felonies connected with the case. (In 2018, the felon pardoned him.)

But this was not the only scandal involving the necroconservatives of the administration. One of those was when one of Paul Wolfowitz's top guns was caught in a spy scandal when he passed on highly classified military intelligence about Iran to two gentlemen from AIPAC. The necroconservatives' wet dream was to first take Iraq, and eventually to have “democracy” break out throughout the region – including eventually Iran. It seems that this scandal – and its implications – must be ignored if one wants to take that yellow cake walk today.

I remember one of the young guys who went to school with my sons joined the military after 9/11. He had just got married, and left his pregnant young wife to fight in Iraq. He was blown to pieces. The largest part of him that was returned home for his wife to bury was one hand. I thought of that when Dick Cheney was brought on stage in last year's presidential campaign. I think of it today, as the world watches, aghast, at the horrors in the Middle East.

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A Yellow Cake Walk (Original Post) H2O Man 19 hrs ago OP
The significantly increased production and accumulation of highly enriched uranium by Iran... LexVegas 19 hrs ago #1
The savagey of H2O Man 19 hrs ago #2
Listened to an BBC interview today of a Iranian Disaffected 18 hrs ago #9
I don't know. Could it be because Trump and Israel scare the shit out of them? flashman13 17 hrs ago #12
Sure but that doesn't explain why Disaffected 17 hrs ago #20
Exactly! H2O Man 17 hrs ago #19
Huh?? nt Disaffected 17 hrs ago #21
Perhaps Iran wants the ultimate deterrent. Their greatest enemies -- Israel and USA -- have nuclear arsenals Martin Eden 13 hrs ago #40
I guess Canada and Greenland must have some of that "yellow cake" stockpiled! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist 19 hrs ago #3
Greenland threatens us H2O Man 18 hrs ago #8
We actually use to get material from Canada and sent them product as well. Blue Full Moon 16 hrs ago #24
Bush jr was in Cincinnati when he spouted about yellow cake. Blue Full Moon 19 hrs ago #4
Senator Byrd's book H2O Man 17 hrs ago #10
I highly recommend this OP AZProgressive 19 hrs ago #5
Thank you. H2O Man 17 hrs ago #11
I would have voted for Kerry AZProgressive 17 hrs ago #16
In a just world, Bush & co would've been indicted Easterncedar 19 hrs ago #6
Absolutely! H2O Man 17 hrs ago #13
US intelligence says this. Bibi is the one fanning the flames. Blue Full Moon 19 hrs ago #7
Right. H2O Man 17 hrs ago #14
He goes with what he sees. Blue Full Moon 17 hrs ago #22
No guard rails. H2O Man 16 hrs ago #23
I can't believe that the republicans are actually Blue Full Moon 16 hrs ago #25
They are cowards H2O Man 16 hrs ago #29
A timely and thoughtful refresher. littlemissmartypants 17 hrs ago #15
Right. H2O Man 16 hrs ago #33
That's his dementia showing Warpy 17 hrs ago #17
He's farther along than most think. Blue Full Moon 16 hrs ago #26
Some of it might BE his meds Warpy 16 hrs ago #32
He's at the yelling stage and needs help to stay upright Blue Full Moon 15 hrs ago #35
Very well said. H2O Man 15 hrs ago #34
K&R spanone 17 hrs ago #18
Thank you! H2O Man 8 hrs ago #43
21 years ago Saoirse9 16 hrs ago #27
Thank you. H2O Man 8 hrs ago #44
I remember it all too well Hekate 16 hrs ago #28
What a strange time H2O Man 8 hrs ago #45
They don't have many playbooks stillcool 16 hrs ago #30
Or, dust off the moldy old playbook; substitute some words and bad actors, and off we go again. erronis 16 hrs ago #31
yep. Memory can be a real pain. stillcool 14 hrs ago #36
PNAC to Project 2025 Kid Berwyn 14 hrs ago #37
Oh Turd Blossom Karl Rove, he's why Texas lost our way MagickMuffin 13 hrs ago #41
I joined DU in 2002 when Bush/Cheney were beating the war drums to invade Iraq Martin Eden 14 hrs ago #38
I remember a lot of Lockheed Martin ads on the TVs MagickMuffin 13 hrs ago #39
Re: the young widow you talked about toward the end, calimary 11 hrs ago #42

LexVegas

(6,820 posts)
1. The significantly increased production and accumulation of highly enriched uranium by Iran...
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:53 PM
19 hrs ago

the only non-nuclear-weapon State to produce such nuclear material, is of serious concern.

IAEA 5/31/25

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
2. The savagey of
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 12:56 PM
19 hrs ago

the government of the only nuclear state in the Middle East is of serious concern.

Disaffected

(5,678 posts)
9. Listened to an BBC interview today of a Iranian
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:13 PM
18 hrs ago

deputy foreign minister who was asked, if Iran is not developing a bomb, why are you enriching uranium beyond the point required for a nuclear reactor. He ducked the question only m/l saying it (enrichment) was a response to the previous abrogation of the previously agreement cancelled by Trump.

So then, why is Iran moving towards weapons grade uranium enrichment??

flashman13

(1,300 posts)
12. I don't know. Could it be because Trump and Israel scare the shit out of them?
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:39 PM
17 hrs ago

It's called deterrence.

Disaffected

(5,678 posts)
20. Sure but that doesn't explain why
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 03:00 PM
17 hrs ago

they, and the DNI for that matter, can credibly claim Iran is not developing a nuke.

Are they contending that Iran is stockpiling enriched uranium just in case it may be needed to produce a bomb in future? If so, I would argue that is a distinction without much of a difference as the time and effort required for them to go from enriched uranium to a bomb is much less that manufacturing the enriched uranium in the first place.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
19. Exactly!
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:59 PM
17 hrs ago

We only want stable nations like Pakistan to have nuclear weapons. And stable nations need stable leaders like our convicted sex offender/felon and Netanyahu.

It's not just Iran ...... but any nation that has a spokesperson who answers a question in a manner we find questionable should be viciously attacked.

Martin Eden

(14,447 posts)
40. Perhaps Iran wants the ultimate deterrent. Their greatest enemies -- Israel and USA -- have nuclear arsenals
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 06:28 PM
13 hrs ago

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the Iran nuclear deal, was an agreement between Iran and the United States, European Union, and United Nations Security Council (UNSC) went into effect in 2016. It was the best possible course of action to ensure Iran would NOT enrich uranium to the levels necessary for nuclear weapons.

One might think the Israeli government would breathe a sigh of relief, but not so Bibi Netanyahu. He did not want Iran set on a path of normalized relations politically or economically, and Trump obliged him by trashing the nuclear deal and re-imposing harsh sanctions.

What could anyone expect Iran to do after that, given the history leading up to that point? Iran had a democratically elected government in 1953, but when it decided to nationalize the oil industry Britain had developed, the USA helped stage a coup and appointed the Shah as ruler. After a quarter century of corruption and repression, he was deposed in the Islamic revolution of 1979 that brought the Ayatollah to power. The next year, our guy in Iraq (Saddam Hussein) with intel and WMD precursors supplied by the USA, launched an extremely bloody 8 year war against Iran.

Now we're on the precipice of a major war against Iran that could make the GW Bush fiasco in Iraq look like an actual cakewalk by comparison.

Fuck these goddamned warmongers.

We are not necessarily looking at an either/or choice of horrific war, or letting Iran develop a nuke -- but if it came down to that, I'd choose the latter. Nukes are the ultimate deterrent, but suicide as an offensive weapon when your enemies not only have nukes but vastly superior arsenals. Mutually Assured Destruction kept the Cold War with the Soviet Union from turning into a hot war in which everyone loses.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
8. Greenland threatens us
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 01:28 PM
18 hrs ago

daily with green cake. We cannot afford to wait until it is an apple pie.

Blue Full Moon

(2,295 posts)
4. Bush jr was in Cincinnati when he spouted about yellow cake.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 01:04 PM
19 hrs ago

I sent that along with the reports and articles to Bryd and Rockefeller. It's wasn't true then and still not true now.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
10. Senator Byrd's book
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:30 PM
17 hrs ago

"Losing America" is a must-read, in my opinion, for understanding how we have ended up where we are today.

AZProgressive

(29,599 posts)
5. I highly recommend this OP
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 01:04 PM
19 hrs ago

I don't really have much to add except that al-Maliki who was installed by the US discriminated against the Sunni population which led to conditions & recruiting propaganda for ISIS who used to be Al-Qaeda in Iraq.

I actually was in the Iraq war did 1 year in 2006-2007. I was against the war before I joined. I remember all the lies & propaganda which you mention and people calling those against the war "anti-American" or "cowards" but I actually ended up enlisting because I was looking for work at the time. 1 person did die in our unit--we drove armored semi-trucks to deliver supplies, most of the real dangers was for the TCNs (third-country nationals) that drove fiberglass Mercedes trucks but that is another story.

Here is more info about him

https://www.iraqwarheroes.org/bowmanl.htm

All of this rhetoric to lead us into war with Iran gives me a lot of reminders of what 2003 was like.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
11. Thank you.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:34 PM
17 hrs ago

One of my late friends was among the founders of Vietnam Veterans Against the War long ago. At first, he fully supported the attack on Iraq. Then he talked with some of the guys coming back from the Bush-Cheney war.

He had known John Kerry, though not well, and didn't like him. But in 2004, he supported Kerry in the presidential contest.

AZProgressive

(29,599 posts)
16. I would have voted for Kerry
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:47 PM
17 hrs ago

but I turned 18 of that year in late November. I did like Howard Dean in that primary but I wasn't old enough to vote.

I got out of the Army in July 2008 and voted for Obama which was the first election I voted in.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
13. Absolutely!
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:41 PM
17 hrs ago

From the comfort of his office, Dick Cheney pretended to be a tough guy. But he is a cowardly war criminal.

Many years ago, on this forum, a person told me I couldn't call Cheney a "war criminal," because he had not been convicted in a court of law. I pointed out that many criminals -- including murderers -- are never caught, much less convicted. Yet they are criminals, including murderers.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
14. Right.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:43 PM
17 hrs ago

Yet our country is ruled by a jackass that cannot understand this intelligence, because he has no intelligence.

Blue Full Moon

(2,295 posts)
22. He goes with what he sees.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 03:07 PM
17 hrs ago

Whatever station he watches needs to load up programs to guide him. He responds to whoever he talks to last.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
23. No guard rails.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 03:15 PM
16 hrs ago

At least in his first term, he had some relatively sane people around him. Today, it is Stephen Miller who is his primary source.

Blue Full Moon

(2,295 posts)
25. I can't believe that the republicans are actually
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 03:28 PM
16 hrs ago

Going to allow this all to happen. All of it would end if they just impeach him. As power hungry as they all are and he is a lame duck.

littlemissmartypants

(28,132 posts)
15. A timely and thoughtful refresher.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:45 PM
17 hrs ago

I remember the exact moment in 2003. It was a special announcement. I cried so hard. Then I started thinking about everyone and everything that would be destroyed. Then I cried some more.

When I was small, I wanted to be a teacher, a paleontologist or an archeologist. That night I was thinking about Mesopotamia and all of the precious history that no doubt would be looted, destroyed and turned to dust. We ruined so much.

❤️


H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
33. Right.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 04:12 PM
16 hrs ago

I remember a number of good people who either believed the lie (at first), or who asked, "What if?"

There is a danger in believing anything that those like Dick Cheney say. Cheney betrayed our country, and Consitution. While I disagree with Liz Cheney on 99.9999% of everything, I at least respected her for standing up for the Constitution.

Warpy

(113,567 posts)
17. That's his dementia showing
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 02:48 PM
17 hrs ago

He can remember old scandals, old administrations, and old lies that were used to gin up a ar against a people who didn't deserve it, he's just really, really unclear on the present.

Expect more of the same. He's losing the plot a lot more rapidly than I thought he would but he's still surrounded by people who don't think there are many of us who can remember the old lies and reject them again this time. They really think they can sanewash him.

Blue Full Moon

(2,295 posts)
26. He's farther along than most think.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 03:30 PM
16 hrs ago

I think that long weekend he was kept out of sight was to adjust his meds. Obviously not working. The G7 summit proves that.

Warpy

(113,567 posts)
32. Some of it might BE his meds
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 04:11 PM
16 hrs ago

because the real giveaway from me (besides the confabulation, perseveration, and flight of ideas) were the turn-on-a-dime emotional shifts, especially the sudden rages. Meds to control that stuff usually have an adverse effect on cognition.

And, believe it or not it's still early dementia.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
34. Very well said.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 04:15 PM
15 hrs ago

For a while now, I think the felon is brought out for a few hours most days to perform. But his skit has become much more limited to what it was in 2026 or 2020. I think that Stephen Miller is the acting president. And he is convinced he has license to be violent.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
43. Thank you!
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 11:52 PM
8 hrs ago

For some reason, I'ved been thinking of 13 days in October, 1962, when the Cuban Missile Crisis took place. Fortunately, we had JFK in office, coordinating with RFK and a couple of others. As it turned out, the southeast could have been nuked if the country didn't have real leadership from the Kennedy brothers.

Had either of the last two -- or next two -- presidents had been in office, there would have been a nuclear war. It took the brave leadership of JFK to ignore the immense pressure from the military to attack immediately, and to find the better way. That is not a quality every president has. It is pathetic that we have this ass-wipe in office.

Saoirse9

(3,874 posts)
27. 21 years ago
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 03:35 PM
16 hrs ago

I never thought about "yellow cake" at all. Didn't know what it meant. I wish I still didn't. Can't believe we are back here again.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
44. Thank you.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 11:56 PM
8 hrs ago

As I recall, you were a loyal member of the infamous "Plame Threads." Those were the days. A truly strange time, when members of the administration decided they need not pay attention to the Constitution. Those people betrayed the country, and they were and are war criminals. Yet I find the current circumstances more risky.

H2O Man

(76,975 posts)
45. What a strange time
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 12:01 AM
8 hrs ago

it was. I remember discussing what was going on in DC with a couple associates. They knew Cheney was behind the Plame scandal. One of them told me to join DU, and I remember the day I finally did. Will Pitt wrote one of his very best essays, which I read and thought was great. And Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed to investigate. That was a really positive day.

erronis

(20,213 posts)
31. Or, dust off the moldy old playbook; substitute some words and bad actors, and off we go again.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 04:07 PM
16 hrs ago

stillcool

(34,257 posts)
36. yep. Memory can be a real pain.
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 05:20 PM
14 hrs ago

in my lifetime no war was necessary, and so many millions of human beings were killed by other human beings. What a species.

Kid Berwyn

(20,769 posts)
37. PNAC to Project 2025
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 05:27 PM
14 hrs ago

Like a cakewalk through pandemonium, a nation adrift and led by self-righteous imbeciles drawn to the home-cooked smells of the Turd Reich.

BFEE Judge who Railroaded Gov. Don Siegelman Relieved of Docket for (allegedly) Beating Ex-Wife

https://democraticunderground.com/10025389370

Judge Fuller's buddy and Karl Rove's underling, William Pryor, co-incidentally would become the Chief Judge in the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals overseeing the Southern District of Florida and Judge Aileen Cannon.

MagickMuffin

(17,716 posts)
41. Oh Turd Blossom Karl Rove, he's why Texas lost our way
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 06:31 PM
13 hrs ago


His “whisper” campaign against Gov. Ann Richards was the start of really nasty republican behavior. And of course Karl Rove learned from none other than Lee Atwater.

Texas hasn’t been the same since then. Every republican governor has made our great state worse than the last one. So, far Greg Abbott is by far the worst governor in my lifetime.


Martin Eden

(14,447 posts)
38. I joined DU in 2002 when Bush/Cheney were beating the war drums to invade Iraq
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 05:56 PM
14 hrs ago

DU was a great source for specific factual information on the systematic campaign of lies to implement the PNAC agenda to invade Iraq. With few exceptions, mainstream media news acted like stenographers for the false claims emanating from the White House Iraq Group. Judith Miller of the NYT was among the worst, but we here at DU knew better ... and were proven right!

In Feb 2003 I attended my first anti-war protest, in downtown Chicago. One of the best speakers was a young state senator named Barack Obama.

On March 15, I traveled to our nation's Capitol to join 100,000 protesting against the imminent invasion of Iraq. At one point a small group of counter-protesters starting chanting SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, SUPPORT OUR TROOPS. I joined their chant, but changed it to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME!. Very soon others joined me, and we drowned them out.

Every time I see a TV commercial pleading for donations to help veterans crippled in body and soul from the bloody wars of choice launched by Bush/Cheney, my old anger wells up in me. They and others in their lying cabal deserve to be in prison for war crimes, not leading lives of wealth and privilege with zero consequences for carnage and grief they caused.

When Dim Son Bush left office, I wrote this poem for what I would like to say to his face if I could:

I'd tell you to go fuck yourself
But that is much too kind
If you could perform that feat
You'd take pleasure in your behind

I'd like to say eat shit and die
But you deserve much more
You should suffer all the grief and pain
Of your misbegotten war

Though I could never make you think
Or feel, or understand
I'll take solace when you hear your name
Cursed throughout the land

From inside a lonely prison cell
Dark and bare and cold
Where every day you pay for your crimes
Until you're sick, heartbroken, and old

When you finally leave this earth
You fucked over oh so well
If there is a God and afterlife
You're going straight to hell

MagickMuffin

(17,716 posts)
39. I remember a lot of Lockheed Martin ads on the TVs
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 06:24 PM
13 hrs ago


And my thoughts were Why is Lockheed Martin advertising their war goods. We as Americans can’t afford to buy military grade weapons or equipment, and we wouldn’t be allowed to by our government, so, WHY are they selling advertising and WHY is it being broadcast on the tv stations?


The answer: They were selling a war!


calimary

(86,711 posts)
42. Re: the young widow you talked about toward the end,
Thu Jun 19, 2025, 09:05 PM
11 hrs ago

Did you know her? What became of her - and their baby?

And most important (at least to me): did she ever find love again?

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