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https://substack.com/inbox/post/165658733?fbclid=IwY2xjawK-Q-RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHl8PQYh9WG-6uuPXYQO5BzrEiJv9VweTkJc6a-VHicPxurAtcP4Q059t4Gjo_aem_HoFB_uGcaEjb3ciZ62ggmAIs there a cyber expert here who can comment on whether/how this might have worked?
Thanks. Wish I could push my senator etc but I am in TN
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tritsofme
(19,306 posts)And I hear she is looking for some new suckers to scam!
Much easier to believe that the rapist felon pedo won all 7 swing states (something even Obama didn't achieve). I mean he is so popular, did you see the gi normous crowds at his birthday party 😉 😜
Hugin
(36,254 posts)Point OP.
EdmondDantes_
(538 posts)Why have none of the people on the campaign especially the ones focused on protecting voting not bought into this? Why are Democrats in the states like Pennsylvania, like North Carolina not buying into this?
The evidence doesn't support the author's conclusions. It's all poorly informed suppositions.
Ponietz
(3,936 posts)Pennsylvania’s Secretary of Commonwealth, who oversees elections, was hand-picked by Governor Josh Shapiro. Until someone like him talks it’s a non issue with me.
90 million people didn’t vote. This theory reinforces their ignorance and apathy. Keep on with this and next time it will be 95 million non voters.
Lump and Republicans were trolling us with their claims in 2020. Lump and Musk were trolling us saying or implying 2024 was rigged. Gullible people believe trolls — why believe the trolls now when you didn’t in 2020? This is what the Pukes want us to talk about.
stillcool
(34,257 posts)Have the Secretary of State stop the recount, and have the Supreme Court give the election to Bush The CT being tossed around about immigrants voting, election workers stealing votes, dead people voting, people voting multiple times, same stuff year after year. Electronic voting or the "Help America Vote Act" opened up a whole new can of worms on how to eff with elections. Improvising and tweaking strategy on how to steal votes changes with each election. That is not CT, it's human nature. And taking what has been done and using it against everyone else is also typical of every crime committed. Bothsiderism reigns supreme. Everyone doing their part to poison the well.
Ponietz
(3,936 posts)Hornedfrog2000
(264 posts)About the 'Russia hoax', where almost nobody was talking about it except a small handful of people here, and people like John Brennan basically saying something wreaked. All of us believers were crazy.
Ponietz
(3,936 posts)I’d bet money that Russian bots are amplifying this CT on X, Meta, and Tic-Toc. Really sad to see good people fall for it.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)I prefer the blunter description of Kooky CT Nonsense
Celerity
(50,413 posts)
stillcool
(34,257 posts)if you so desire. Each state has their own election laws about the who, why, and how that are necessary to ask for a recount. Election laws are not uniform.
https://www.brennancenter.org/
It is astounding how messed up our elections have been and no one cares, until after the election, and then they demand someone from outside of their state fix it. The people in the state have the power and do nothing. I don't think they'll even care when elections are no more. Do you?
Self Esteem
(2,241 posts)What a weird, wild statement.
The evolution of what is considered a swing state has changed significantly since Obama was president.
Like, in 2012, Ohio and Florida were considered swing states. Guess what? Harris didn't consider them swing states and had both down as a loss.
If you remember, Obama won both Ohio and Florida.
In 2012, Georgia and Arizona were not considered swing states. Obama did not really actively campaign in either. They were considered swing states in 2016, 2020 and 2024. But they were still lean-Republican as both have only gone to the Democrats twice in the past 40 years.
North Carolina was the only "swing state" Obama lost in 2012. And it's a state he barely won in his 2008 landslide. It's also a state the Democrats have one only once in the last 50 years.
Trump won every state he carried in 2016 plus Nevada, in an election where he was far more popular than he had been back during his first run. Anyone who half-paid attention to the polls and what Harris was saying/doing would have known this.
The truth is, Harris' own internal polling always had her down in most swing states, which is why she kept reminding everyone she was the underdog.
People who refuse to accept the reality are sounding no different than election deniers post-2020. Hell, many are employing the same reasoning nearly verbatim.
IbogaProject
(4,516 posts)Those only happened in crucial blue precints in swing states. Tabulators were switched midday in the tabulation office by Penn State University. The problem is if the GOP cheatedthey may propigate some distracting false stories to muddy the waters. But I agree we ran too centrist and did that futile ploy courting GOP women instead of targeting the undecided.
tritsofme
(19,306 posts)that changed the outcome of the election.
Just like they did in 2020 with the MAGA crowd, grifters are pushing goofy conspiracy theories, and desperate people are soaking them up.
BComplex
(9,468 posts)The crooks in charge of the election in 2024 STOLE votes, disenfranchised votes, didn't count votes from democrats, and rigged machines.
They just did it.
tritsofme
(19,306 posts)As was noted below, he chooses to live in the reality based community.
I just wish people embracing the exact same Trump-style conspiracy theories that were pushed by MAGA four years ago would rejoin us there.
yellow dahlia
(2,552 posts)I think they were afraid to sound like sour grapes...like the other guy.
BComplex
(9,468 posts)They didn't want to parrot the 2020 maga crazies about the election being stolen. 
yellow dahlia
(2,552 posts)The RepubliCONS are playing a different game.
The Dems don't need to be nasty and devious too....BUT.
Dems need to not get "played". I think they sometimes fall prey to reverse psy-ops. (Maybe the ReplubliCONS have a consultant who advises them on psy-ops...perhaps someone from the KGB.)
I think DEMS need to up their game in creative strategies. I think they need to stop being afraid to holler the truth at max volume when necessary.
A couple of months ago on this forum, someone said they need to fire all the Democratic strategists. I agree.
BComplex
(9,468 posts)the cream rises to the top!
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)Just like Rudy and Sidney.
BComplex
(9,468 posts)And elon told him he stole pennsylvania. Trump told his audience they never would have to vote again, and that he had all the votes he needed BEFORE election day.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)Evidence is something introduced and accepted in a court of law, which no one has done because there is no evidence.
stopdiggin
(13,912 posts)evidence? That's just kinda' sad.
Self Esteem
(2,241 posts)Precincts were kept open for longer voting hours and the amount of people likely impacted, as in those who decided to stay home, would not have come close to making up the gap Harris would have needed in places like Arizona, which she lost by nearly 200,000 votes or Georgia, which she lost by 115,000 (or Pennsylvania for that matter, a state she lost by 120,000).
Chemical Bill
(2,830 posts)who were removed from the rolls in swing states by Republican challenges would cover those losses. As I'm sure you know, Georgia let anyone challenge voter registrations. A handful of people in Georgia alone challenged voters in Democratic districts. Could this be why there was a lower Democratic turnout?
Self Esteem
(2,241 posts)It's a bad faith argument that is about as weak as any claim Trump made over the 2020 presidential election.
Voters are routinely moved from the rolls, generally due to inactivity, and that made up a massive amount of those removed from the rolls.
Take Pennsylvania. 99.95% of voters removed were due to being inactive.
Pennsylvania was in accordance of federal and state laws with this move. The fact is, an overwhelming amount of people removed from the rolls have not voted in any recent election and therefore declared inactive. That means these voters did not vote in 2022 or 2020 - if not longer.
There is zero evidence these voters would have voted in 2024 and would have voted for Harris.
And those who were removed could have still voted - by provisional ballot. In 2024, 100,000 voted in Pennsylvania by provisional ballot. Those who have legal standing to vote would have had their votes counted. But even if every single one of those 100,000 votes weren't counted, and every single one of 'em voted Harris, she still would have lost the state.
Face it: the facts do not point to Harris losing because of fraud.
Chemical Bill
(2,830 posts)But the correct statistic from your link on ineligible voters was that 99.95% of the voters removed due to inactivity were correctly removed. It does not say that 99.95% of the voters removed were due to inactivity.
Almost 9000 voters, that is, almost half, of the voters who made mistakes on mail in ballots, had their ballots rejected.
More Than 9,000 Pa. Voters Cast Valid Ballots After Making Mail Voting Mistakes in 2024 Election, According to ACLU Analysis | ACLU Pennsylvania https://share.google/wSl9VnIIhdTxEmMqO
As I mentioned, Republicans challenged voters across the country, including Pennsylvania. One might notice that Republicans withdrew most of the challenges when they found that they weren't necessary.
Pennsylvania mail ballot challenges are withdrawn or denied : NPR https://share.google/CrxVQ80Yi9tDtqlVI
I did mention Georgia voter challenges:
Georgia voter registration challenges are fueled by Eagle AI : NPR https://share.google/FJVo7GMA7mVwETFM0
But enough about voter challenges. I admit that Pennsylvania would not have officially given Harris the win if there had been no voter challenges. But they are not the only way that Republicans cheat, and your rejection of my premise that voter challenges could have made a difference in 2024 based on misreading of your sources seems rather spurious.
Just curious, have you read The Conyers Report? You might want to, before you dismiss Republican cheating as having no effect.
Self Esteem
(2,241 posts)I could also bring up Michigan, a state with a Democratic governor and Democratic leadership across the board - and one a federal judge stopped Republicans from purging more voters from the rolls.
In fact, the article notes that since 2019, 800,000 voters have been legally removed - but of that, 500,000 were dead.
So, that means 300,000 voters were removed SINCE 2019 who were alive but inactive (and meaning they also didn't vote in 2020).
Without Pennsylvania and Michigan, it would have been nearly impossible for Harris to win.
Even if you give Harris Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada - SHE STILL LOSES.
This election was not stolen from her. There is zero evidence it was stolen from her.
Chemical Bill
(2,830 posts)but we don't know how many people did not vote due to bomb threats. Not all polling places extended their hours.
Perhaps the lies by the corporate media, plus the voter challenges, plus the bomb threats, kept the vote close enough to change by controlling the machines.
ETA https://share.google/bqmt3ZFNH4ozZmmdR
Of course, there is no proof either way without recounts. Too bad.
Self Esteem
(2,241 posts)And of course, the assumption is that all those voters would have been Harris when, even in the most blue precincts, if 80% were Harris voters, that leaves 20% who would have voted Trump and just using that 100,000 number, it would have been 20,000 Trump voters potentially impacted as well.
These are all great hypotheticals in a race that's decided by a few thousand votes. But well over 200,000 votes decided the 2024 election. Not a huge amount on a national scale but much larger than Biden's margin in 2020 (when factoring in the tipping point states) and Trump's in 2016.
Chemical Bill
(2,830 posts)but Election Truth Alliance shows evidence that those "votes" were not cast by voters. Like the county in Florida in 2000 that had 16, 000 votes for W but nowhere near that many voters. You remember that, don't you?
Celerity
(50,413 posts) 
cadoman
(1,347 posts)https://www.newsweek.com/company-changes-2024-voting-machines-2083888
To most, Tripp Lite was just a hardware brand—battery backups, surge protectors, power strips. But in America’s elections, Tripp Lite devices were something else entirely.
They are physically connected to ES&S central tabulators and Electionware servers, and Dominion tabulators and central servers across the country. And they aren’t dumb devices. They are smart UPS units—programmable, updatable, and capable of communicating directly with the election system via USB, serial port, or Ethernet.
Don't you think EAC would catch it if Tripp Lite were an issue? Their methods are highly rigorous.
questionseverything
(10,961 posts)On Monday, an investigator’s story finally hit the news cycle: Pro V&V, one of only two federally accredited testing labs, approved sweeping last-minute updates to ES&S voting machines in the months leading up to the 2024 election—without independent testing, public disclosure, or full certification review.
These changes were labeled “de minimis”—a term meant for trivial tweaks. But they touched ballot scanners, altered reporting software, and modified audit files—yet were all rubber-stamped with no oversight.
That revelation is a shock to the public.
But for those who’ve been digging into the bizarre election data since November, this isn’t the headline—it’s the final piece to the puzzle. While Pro V&V was quietly updating equipment in plain sight, a parallel operation was unfolding behind the curtain—between tech giants and Donald Trump.
yellow dahlia
(2,552 posts)It is indeed a puzzle with many pieces - they are coming together.
An illegitimate "president' is destroying our country...our Democracy...our Constitution.
There is no reconciling that. I don't know what can be done...constitutionally.
But I will keep amplifying it, and I won't stand by idly.
Tbone421
(29 posts)Eaton is a company that makes UPS's of all sizes for data centers, server farms, etc. A UPS is a battery backup that will power the IT hardware during a power outage......usually just to cover the gap to when the generator fires up.
As technology has advanced, so has the software that runs on these UPS's. Back in the 1900s, the UPSs were just connected to the power cables that power all of the IT gear. But these days the UPS's are connected in more ways.....they have USB and ethernet connectivity. So they are potentially connected to the internet. This allows for real time monitoring, automatic updates, etc.
So, this article is claiming that the Eaton UPS's were used to alter how the votes were tabulated, and then this other company - Palantir - provided the software to remove the digital traces of the altered vote counting. The claim is that the Eaton battery system was connected to voting tabulation machines via UPS, and then I think also to the internet via ethernet. The Eaton battery systems had the secret code hidden, ready to go, and it was activated remotely. The article claims that the Eaton battery systems could have had root access to the voting computers or machines over USB.
The article goes into details about who was running which company when, and who had ties with Elon, etc. They claim Elon assisted by using Starlink to put everything into motion, and maybe also manipulate the data......
cadoman
(1,347 posts)But is it relevant if EAC and CISA are monitoring and have confirmed the equipment is good and safe?
Both of these are powerful billionaires and of course they are only one or two degrees of separation from just about anything you can imagine, from pigs feet to video games to cellular service.
Initech
(105,313 posts)The biggest conspiracy theorist in Congress investing a company that wants to track and monitor your every move, while also creating a totally not Nazi at all database of immigrants is certainly a pull. 
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)angrychair
(10,725 posts)It does sound crazy. But left to its own devices it leaves unexplained how, in multiple Democratic counties, all down ballot Democrats won by significant majorities but in every case I've seen, Harris got zero votes and the Mango Mussolini got all of them. How did he get 100% of the vote in a deep blue but small county?
Wiz Imp
(5,461 posts)If you disagree, then how about providing proof of Trump getting 100% of the vote in a deep blue but small county? You can't do it because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
lapfog_1
(30,994 posts)I actually do have the credentials to comment on this.
1) speculations are not facts
2) OTOH, there are many ways to hack voting machines and do so undetected. But nothing to do with Starlink or UPS battery systems or or or.
3) UPS systems typically have ethernet connections ( or USB but in modern Data Centers, ethernet ). If the people designing the DC are NOT careful, the call home software inside these systems could be configured to be on internal networks ( behind firewalls ), and that would allow the UPS system to at least have one less security hurdle to inject malware into a computer system. Real malware can alter anything in a computer system and, if done by professionals, leave NO trace. But you would need a very deep understanding of the operating systems and storage systems used by modern servers.
4) Could something have happened, sure. Did something happen, we will likely never know UNLESS someone comes forward and tells the tale and exactly how it was done.
In my opinion, the only way to prevent this going forward is to have only paper ballots, collected under the supervision of people from all parties, and monitored by an international body and counted by hand multiple times. It might take weeks to get the results and in our society, apparently, such a delay is possibly unacceptable. We should allow a couple of weeks for people to turn in their paper ballots. Voter suppression is the real culprit that is provable and happening in every election.
Metaphorical
(2,442 posts)I think that voting machines are fine for voters selecting candidates, but ONLY if the VM then prints out a filled ballot and the ballot itself can be reviewed before being collected. Hand collation and counting. The ballot produces a bar code in addition to the printed output as OCR, and a reviewer (onsite) can then compare the digital version (encoded) to the OCR version (unencoded) before saving the printed version for archive and auditing purposes. It won't catch all fraud, but it provides a good statistical sanity check.
Most voting systems are not built around airgaps, and with bluetooth adapters, hacking into an airgap system may actually net you a connection pretty regularly (most people do not turn off bluetooth or wireless USB).
Statistically, there are too many places where the data just does not feel right - when you start getting into consistent six and seven sigma unlikelihoods all biased in one way, the chance that the data was fraudulent goes up considerably.
questionseverything
(10,961 posts)Ty
lapfog_1
(30,994 posts)it had these things called BBN IMPs.
I wrote some of the code for those.
This was back when the Arpanet had 13 nodes ( 13 things connected to it ). Now I have way more than 13 things just in my house. Washer and dryer, refrigerators, thermostats, TVs, computers, phones, and even my CGM that measures my blood sugar.
Many years later there was this thing called MAE-West. I installed the Internet's very first gigabit switch in it. It handled all of the west coast internet traffic. It was run by NASA Ames... and was located in the federal building in San Jose. I was one of the network / storage people at NASA. I also ran all of NASA security for a year, right after our security architect went to one of those "white hat/black hat" conferences and announced NASA was "secure". They were terminated and NASA volunteered me to take over. BTW, NASA ( at that time ) was responsible for White House internet services and White House cyber security ( under Clinton / Gore ).
Before all of those things, I was part of a "hacker group" ( before anyone even had invented the terminology - like 1974 ) at my university. Back then, if you got caught hacking into the "mainframe"... they didn't kick you out, they offered you a job!
I have a *lot* of experience with Unix and Windows based file systems and storage. Many patents... mostly in the area of high performance storage systems. I have some experience with data integrity and provenance ( how do you know if what you originally wrote is what is still present when you go to look later, and if not the same, how did it change, when, and by who).
It's kinda my thing.
That said, I have not looked specifically at voting systems. I don't trust computers. Computers and the software that runs on them is ( up to now ) created by people... people make mistakes. Even the hardware is not perfect, just better than humans that use it. There are ALWAYS security holes... ALWAYS. Every security system created by mankind has been breached at one time or another. The Germans and Japanese found out the hard way. I'm certain we here in the USA have been hacked as well. It is foolish to think that it is impossible. Proving it happened is another issue.
Botany
(74,474 posts)“This wasn’t a theory. It was a full-scale operation. A systemic digital occupation—clean, credentialed, and remote-controlled.”
Leo gave the money.
Thiel’s Palantir massaged the data
Musk used Starlink to move the “new data” into the tabulators.
I had an idea that it was the central tabulators all the time.
Doodley
(11,064 posts)Botany
(74,474 posts)N/t
yellow dahlia
(2,552 posts)Blue Full Moon
(2,295 posts)Trump's casino used slot machines for money laundering to Russians. The largest fine. By the way James Baker commented on it in the Commission on voting that he chaired with Jimmy Carter.
Silent Type
(10,055 posts)Botany
(74,474 posts)The odds that the election would break out the way it did.
Mountainguy
(2,095 posts)Because poll aggregation shows the final outcome was among one of the most likely.
questionseverything
(10,961 posts)EdmondDantes_
(538 posts)https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/10/25/2024-elections-live-coverage-updates-analysis/trump-harris-2024-election-poll-tied-00185494
https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/
A small polling error by historical standards and you end up with Trump winning the EC handily but only barely winning the popular vote.
questionseverything
(10,961 posts)That’s the first link
The second link has more responses but is still national
And honestly I don’t buy into the averaging idea of the third link because there are so many “conserva- polls”
Mountainguy
(2,095 posts)questionseverything
(10,961 posts)Botany
(74,474 posts)Mountainguy
(2,095 posts)There's nothing there.
There was a rightward shift in nearly every county in the country in 24.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html
And that's not a sign of cheating in swing states. It's a sign of underperforming across the country. Just like polls showed and we all watched on election night. Anybody who knew what they were looking at could see what was happening early on, even before swing states started reporting. We were missing benchmarks everywhere.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)We used to be part of the reality based community…
Sympthsical
(10,663 posts)Between election denialism, the belief in a "staged" assassination attempt, and the endless stream of BlueAnon social media accepted uncritically as a main form of content, stick a fork in it.
I'd say it's a shame, but it didn't happen overnight. The function of the space made it inevitable.
Oh well.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)Celerity
(50,413 posts)
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/articles/using-conspiracy-theories-to-make-sense-of-a-loss
Further reading:
“Election Conspiracy Theories Are for Everyone,” by Anna Merlan
“The 200-Year History of Using Voter Fraud Fears to Block Access to the Ballot,” by Pema Levy
Election Denial Conspiracy Theories Are Exploding on X. This Time They’re Coming From the Left
Conspiracy theories about missing votes—which are not, in fact, missing—and something being “not right” are being spread widely on X in the wake of Donald Trump’s election victory.
https://www.wired.com/story/election-denial-conspiracy-theories-x-left-blueanon/
https://archive.ph/p1DEg
It took just minutes for the conspiracy theories about the 2024 US presidential election to flood Elon Musk’s X platform after Donald Trump was announced as the winner in the early hours of Wednesday morning. The number of posts casting doubt on the election results and calling for a recount exploded on Wednesday morning, according to data from research company PeakMetrics. At noon Eastern time, posts on centibillionaire Elon Musk’s X platform peaked at 94,000 posts per hour. Many of the posts received significant amplification on X, with numerous posts reviewed by WIRED receiving more than 1 million views. “How can we have had record turnout and twenty million fewer votes cast nationally?” author John Pavlovitz wrote in a post viewed 5.3 million times.
Gordon Crovitz, the CEO of NewsGuard, told WIRED that the term “Trump cheated” was trending on X on Wednesday morning. “There are 92,100 mentions of ‘Trump cheated’ on X since midnight,” Crovitz said. The exact details of the conspiracy theories are still being ironed out by those promoting them, but for the Harris supporters sharing them, her loss was reason enough to indulge in pushing baseless disinformation about the election being stolen. Meanwhile, the massive pro-Trump election denial movement that sprung up in the wake of the 2020 election remained virtually silent on Wednesday morning, in comparison to the flood of content it shared in the days and weeks leading up to the election.
“It doesn't matter whether baseless allegations about voting irregularities come from the right or the left,” says Nina Jankowicz, the former Biden administration disinformation czar who is now CEO of the American Sunlight Project. “The impact on our system of these lies is the same: People will end up trusting the infrastructure of democracy less, setting us up for more disinformation and disengagement. These drop-offs in trust take decades to undo. Take a look at countries in Eastern Europe that have been attempting to rebuild trust in the system since the ‘90s. We should all be wary of these allegations, no matter their source.” The posts calling for a recount used a variety of hashtags including #donotconcedekamala and phrases like “math ain’t mathing.”
Many of them contained vague claims that “something is very off.” The one specific claim being made by many of these accounts suggests that there are 20 million “missing votes.” While at publication time the Associated Press’ vote count was indeed 16 million votes lower than that for the 2020 election, the explanation is trivially simple: The entirety of the vote hasn’t been tabulated yet. “Election denial is anti-democratic, whether it comes from the left or the right,” David Becker, executive director of the nonpartisan Center for Election Innovation and Research, wrote on X. “No, 20 million votes aren’t missing. Votes are still being counted in many states, including millions in CA alone. Number of votes in 2024 very close to 2020, when all are reported.”
snip
BComplex
(9,468 posts)They buy the government they want. The republicans had screamed "stolen election" so much for 4 years, totally insane, that the dems were too cowed to yell stolen election when it was so fucking obvious to the entire world! Numbers have NEVER rolled in like they did in 2024. Never. It was rigged from start to finish. The trump cabal TOLD us it was. Believe them.
tritsofme
(19,306 posts)They are just too “cowed” to say anything?
Don’t you see how ridiculous and delusional this sounds?
BComplex
(9,468 posts)pointing fingers at someone expressing their point of view as "ridiculous and delusional". You need to back off that kind of name calling.
After you do that, you might consider who we're talking about. Leonard Leo. Elon Musk. Donald Trump. Chris LaCivita. And all of the very extreme right wing media, and supreme court crooks, and felons in and around the white house. The news reports the day before the election talked about how the entire trump election team were all turning on each other and pointing fingers at who and what were to blame for the disaster they saw coming for themselves. They all thought they were going to lose, and lose badly. So did the rest of the country. Polls be damned, because now days polls are for sale...just ask musk.
Everyone was in shock the day after the election.
All over the world countries thought our election was stolen. Trump said it was, and he has a serious quirk where he thinks if you admit to a crime, then you're not going to be held responsible for that crime. He has shown that over and over, and it's been reported over and over.
I'm standing by my belief that trump/musk/Russia/LaCivita/Thiel/Leo etc rigged/stole/bomb-threatened our election.
tritsofme
(19,306 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 17, 2025, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)
Full stop.
Our rules generally frown on folks spreading malicious lies about Democratic leaders as well.
Who else accused Biden and Harris of covering up a stolen election? Oh, that’s right, Trump in 2020. The absurdity of it all would really be quite humorous were it not so pathetic.
Where are these leaders of other countries who believe the election was stolen? Is that just a lie?
Jedi Guy
(3,344 posts)So when we do pretty much all the same things in 2028, and if we should happen to lose, will that election be rigged, too?
I'm sorry, but the election wasn't stolen. It cuts into my guts to say it because I hate every second of this misadministration, but Trump won. He won the electoral college and he won the popular vote, the first Republican to do so in 20 years. I haven't seen one shred of solid evidence to the contrary, just hysterical supposition, innuendo, and grasping at straws that reeks of frantic denial. And let us recall that denial is, after all, the first stage of grief.
Every time people assert that Harris actually won the election, we're asked to believe that she knows this but did nothing about it. We're asked to believe that Joe Biden knows this and did nothing about it. We're asked to believe that the numerous leaders at the highest echelons of the Democratic Party know this... and not one of them did anything about it.
And I simply cannot believe that. Full stop, the end. I cannot and will not believe that the leaders of our party know that Harris lost due to fraud and they simply stood by and allowed it to happen. The suggestion that they're capable of that kind of monstrous malfeasance against the American people is, quite frankly, offensive.
Harris lost. It's a bitter pill to swallow, I know, but clinging to wacky conspiracy theories is not just pointless but actively unhelpful.
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)Just as in 2020, no credible evidence has been introduced and accepted in a court of law that even suggests the 2024 election was stolen, rigged or that votes were altered or tampered with.
angryxyouth
(250 posts)Peer reviewed statistic analysis of the election that shows the probability that votes were manipulated in swing states Is out there. There are law suits that have started which ask the secretaries of state such as Pennsylvania to do a full hand recount in the most populous counties. Check out the links I have provided. In #25 reply
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)They’ll get to the bottom of it for sure.
If the votes were manipulated, then why weren’t down ballot races manipulated too?
Why wasn’t the Wisconsin Supreme Court race manipulated to rig the race for Musk’s preferred candidate- why would Musk allow himself to be publicly embarrassed if he had the tools to throw race?
angryxyouth
(250 posts)If you would actually take the time and explore the links I provided, especially the last one maybe you wouldn’t be so snarky. This is a snip from. The U Mich website.
https://cps.isr.umich.edu/people/wmebane/
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Snip…John Jackson and Walter Mebane named members of first class of Fellows of the Society for Political Methodology
John Jackson and Walter Mebane have been named members of the first class of Fellows of the Society for Political Methodology. Selection “honors individuals who have made outstanding scholarly contributions to the development of political methodology, and whose methodological work has had a major international impact on subsequent scholarship in the field, in the discipline more broadly, and where appropriate in other areas.”
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)Have they found a lawyer willing to take their case?
Even “experts” can be blind to their internal biases.
angryxyouth
(250 posts)Along with other independent analysis to try to persuade attorneys generals of swing states to do full hand counts of specific counties, (In Pennsylvania it’s Philadelphia, Allegheny and Montgomery counties) there are lawsuits already being filed in case they can’t be persuaded.
It’s not easy because everyone is gun shy because of the last election and the truther movement. We all know that Trump’s does what Karl Marx said. “Accuse your enemies of what you are doing”
Fiendish Thingy
(19,591 posts)If they can’t persuade the state officials (more likely the secs of state, not AG’s), and proceed to file lawsuits, then their lawyers will have to decide if it’s worth risking disbarment to introduce statistical “theories” as factual evidence.
angryxyouth
(250 posts)Same pattern as seen in Pa, Nevada and a bunch of other states. Watch the videos they will walk you through the data.
Joinfortmill
(18,242 posts)Someday we will learn what it was.
angryxyouth
(250 posts)Go to https://smartelections.us/2024-election-update
https://youtube.com/@electiontruthalliance?si=r5bCiSESZoEjBqj_
Or ETA website for actual data electiontruthalliance.org
Walter R Mebane from the University of Michigan who also worked for USAID doing statistical analysis of foreign elections
https://websites.umich.edu/~wmebane/
Doodley
(11,064 posts)We live in Georgia and got no flyers from Democrats and TWELVE, no exaggeration---I counted them---flyers for Trump, by Musk's America PAC, with messages that the Democrats tried to kill Trump, and that only Trump can fix everything, and Democrats are soft on immigration and crime.
AlexSFCA
(6,313 posts)that makes one fall for a baseless conspiracy theory rather than believing that voters are dumb enough to elect a convicted felon.
stillcool
(34,257 posts)have ever been lied to by their government. All those people showing up to protest? CT.
Doodley
(11,064 posts)Response to stillcool (Reply #39)
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valleyrogue
(2,140 posts)I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
I am not a "conspiracy theorist." I am a bullshit detector, and there is NO way in hell she lost ALL seven states.
It wouldn't even have to involve that many votes. Plenty of purging of voter rolls would be a big help here.
tritsofme
(19,306 posts)Unlike all these geniuses on the internet, do you think Harris and her billion dollar campaign were just too dumb to figure out the election was stolen?
Or was she complicit in “covering up” the obviously stolen election?
Ponietz
(3,936 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,313 posts)That’s where trump gained the most. If you are saying there is no issue with elections in CA and NY then don’t say that the much smaller increases in his support in swing states was suspect. Voters are dumb, why is it so hard to believe.
Historic NY
(39,038 posts)the demographics in particular in those listed district the Hadisic bullet vote . I've worked as an election observer in the 2008 election in Orange and saw flyers distributed showing who they should vote for. This is nothing new.
https://www.shtetl.org/article/analyzing-the-haredi-vote-in-the-2024-general-election]
https://www.jns.org/what-impact-will-orthodox-jews-have-on-the-election/]
questionseverything
(10,961 posts)stopdiggin
(13,912 posts)for the entertainment of those that desperately WANT to believe something.
When the people actually running (and verifying) our elections - you know, those people whose business it is? - come forward with apologies (and credible evidence to back it up) - that's when I start listening. And until then - the coulda', 'maybe', stuff belongs over in the corner along with all the other conspiracy crap.
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valleyrogue
(2,140 posts)Harris would lose every single swing state if there wasn't something fishy going on? I could accept she lost the election, but NOT losing every single swing state. THAT is just bullshit.
stopdiggin
(13,912 posts)in the past election. (and, yes, that included swing states). While Rs might have over-performed (but only very slightly, and not beyond what the polls showed us)
My answer remains the same. Not persuaded by, "doesn't look right" - "doesn't pass the smell .." ...
That's all completely subjective - and entertained by people that desperately WANT to believe.
Meanwhile - still waiting for authoritative voices/figures - bearing authoritative evidence ... With all that I have seen so far pointing away ....
valleyrogue
(2,140 posts)ALL swing states going to Trump? Nope. Not in a million years.
stopdiggin
(13,912 posts)questionseverything
(10,961 posts)stopdiggin
(13,912 posts)questionseverything
(10,961 posts)stopdiggin
(13,912 posts)and was quite thoroughly analyzed in its aftermath. Information is readily available - just that I refuse to play childish little internet games saying I must 'fetch' XYZ - to your satisfaction. Do your own work. (if in fact you're really interested)
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Initech
(105,313 posts)I swear on election night, I had this existential sense of fear and dread that I haven't felt since 9/11. Our country is under attack from extremely hostile forces that seek to do great harm with this stupid fuck in charge. 
I have a feeling something will come out eventually. TSF and his cronies can’t keep everything hidden forever. But the dread you feel is something I feel - it hasn’t stopped since Election Day.
malaise
(285,494 posts)Since November - hope I live long enough to know what really happened.
Polybius
(20,229 posts)We all know that he always does better than expected, so it came as no surprise to me that he won them all.
babydollhead
(2,259 posts)valleyrogue
(2,140 posts)THAT was an automatic red flag to me that something dirty was in the works.
Kingofalldems
(39,662 posts)MAGA hates this thread.
B.See
(5,648 posts)Gee, I wonder why.