ARE YOU GUYS FOLLOWING THIS??? This is Very Critical stuff happening now!

[Amaryllis]

General Discussion
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220251045
Judge Boasberg called an emergency hearing regarding the imminent movement of detainees to CECOT in El Salvador.
By MayReasonRule - 13 recs

https://bsky.app/profile/muellershewrote.com/post/3ln4pbyz3e32d

lMueller She Wrote was covering this from the live audio feed.

Link to Mueller She Wrote Blue Sky Discussion

They are to reconvene at 7:20 EDT

General Discussion
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220251022
ACLU rushes to Supreme Court, warning more Alien Enemies Act deportations are 'imminent'

EDITED TO ADD: Chris Hayes covering this right now. They are waiting for a ruling.

[SheltieLover]

1. Kick

[Buns_of_Fire]

2. Emergency hearing or no, the courts still rely

on DoJ for enforcement. The founders never envisioned a complete sleazeball in the executive branch, propped up by abject cowards in the legislative branch.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Well I read the US Marshalls "shall" carry out the business of the courts

This is not a choice DOJ directs, though I suppose the power of the purse and Congressional funding is a factor in the long term. But if DOJ attempts to neuter the work of US Marshalls we'll have another imminent crisis for judges to rule on.

[Buns_of_Fire]

9. I think there's still a debate going on between "shall" and "will"

and which wording is more compulsory - or if, in the end, they legally wind up meaning the same thing. Either way, it might eventually wind up before the supremes, who would take their own sweet time deciding while time is of the essence.

[slightlv]

11. exactly what I was gonna point out. I think I'd get rid of both terms and just write "Do it!"

[dickthegrouch]

42. That is not up for debate, there is an International standard covering Shall and Will

https://www.iso.org/foreword-supplementary-information.html

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/shall-should-may-can-must-iso-iec-standards

Simply put "Will" is always for the future, "Shall" is imperative now.

Should does not belong in policy, it is always aspirational.

May is used both permissively and conditionally (You may open the gift - permission; you may fall over - condition).

Of course conventions don't seem to mean much to the current regime, so YMMV.

[Xipe Totec]

10. The 14th amendment applies

Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

I think the courts can declare Trump and his administration in insurrection or rebellion against the constitution of the United States and automatically removed from office. Anyone who comes to their aid will be similarly guilty of insurrection.

The courts have the power to remove Mango Mousolini from office if he defies a supreme court order.

[slightlv]

12. Yes, but the highest court is terrified of his revenge. And they have no

patriotic backbone to buck him with.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. And so are the Republicans in Congress. I don't know why they don't quit.

What kind of “job” do they have? Being scared to say anything the least bit negative about a stupid, despicable dictator and standing by and helping him bring down the country.

[RandomNumbers]

25. Um, because they like the paycheck?

I'm not in politics (thank god!) but I'll admit there are days that my paycheck is pretty much the only thing holding me back from flat out quitting. (and in the overall scheme of things my job is better than most, I'm sure)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

33. The paycheck is not much but the riches that come with it.

And lifelong top health insurance.

[electric_blue68]

44. Geeeze, it's Not that little, either, imho. But oh, those Health Benifits! 👍

[MayReasonRule]

18. "The courts have the power to remove Mango Mousolini from office if he defies a supreme court order."

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There are various ideas about what SCOTUS might accomplish.

May it be so.

May reason rule!

[Safe as Milk]

35. Sorry. That's NOT TRUE.

A president must be removed through a trial and a conviction in the Senate after the House impeaches. The Senate trial is to be presided by the Chief Justice. But the Supreme Court cannot unilaterally depose a president WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. There are no exceptions.

Please respond if you have documentation that states something different.

[MayReasonRule]

46. Happy Saturday And Welcome To Democratic Undergrond Y'all...

I've been in various chats with attorneys on disparate sites.

Their comments tended towards... while there's no precedent for such, SCOTUS has already carved out a great deal of power for their selves and how they may choose to apply that.

The overall assessment was that time will tell.
I have updated my comment to reflect that very thing.
Thank you for your input Safe as Milk!

I'm in the camp of by whatever means necessary.

These are unprecedented times.

Happy Saturday!
Seize your day!

And above all...

[Bluethroughu]

21. Yes! Now! Perfect!

[gab13by13]

3. Krasnov is doing what Hitler did

Hitler sent Jews to concentration camps in Poland.

Should have taken a stand and not passed the CR

[FirstLight]

4. Who are ensign and bozeburg

I'm having a hard time understanding who's who on what side? I'm trying to follow I'm sorry I came in after the fact

[Bluethroughu]

22. Judges of abregio case.

Boseburg was the judge that said no planes go and they did it anyway, he filed criminal contempt against trumps doj.

[ancianita]

26. Seriously? Ensign litigates for AG Bondi's DOJ (defendants), Chief Judge James Boasberg of the DC Federal District

Drew C. Ensign
Deputy Assistant Attorney General Office of Immigration Litigation 950 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20530
Phone: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

The case with Judge Boasberg that Ensign is defending Trump for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.G.G._v._Trump.

[gab13by13]

5. Schumer's strategy of letting Krasnov

Burn it all down and then win the 2026 election won’t work if we don’t have a 2026 election.

[Duppers]

19. AMEN❗❗

[MayReasonRule]

47. Hear, Hear!!!

[gab13by13]

7. Time to fight fire with fire

Democratic AG’s need to arrest people for kidnapping.

[slightlv]

13. Yes! x1000. And I'd start by declaring Blackthorn (or what ever it's called now) and

Palintirs group as terrorist for kidnapping, abusing, and illegally deporting American citizens.

[gab13by13]

28. Eric Prince was paid a boat load of money

to deport 100,000 people, and El Salvador promised to build a new facility to house them.

[Safe as Milk]

37. The employees of the DOJ are not immune from prosecution.

So this makes sense, EXCEPT that in most cases, kidnapping is considered a FEDERAL CRIME, and the case gets referred to... Kash Patel's FBI. Good luck with that.

[Iamscrewed]

8. Removal

This administration has to be removed at all costs. Impeachment and or 25th amendment.

[slightlv]

14. Impeach him, vance, and little mikie. Otherwise,

one rotten apple just replaces the one before it.

[Iamscrewed]

36. I agree

This entire administration needs to be up on charges

[iemanja]

40. How do you propose doing that without

Republican votes? The 25th is a non-starter: his entire cabinet was selected to kiss his ass.

[Iamscrewed]

41. Options?

I'm not a legal genius but someone somewhere somehow needs to figure out how to expedite return to the rule of LAW.

[iemanja]

43. The rules are quite clear

A majority in the house and 2/3 of the Senate for impeachment and conviction. A cabinet vote for the 25th amendment. No amount of “figuring out” changes that. Trump has been impeached twice. Without conviction it’s meaningless. There may be a solution, but those two options are not it.

[kentuck]

15. Yes. They had an injunction not to fly them out of that location....

So they put them on a bus and moved them to a different location where the injunction did not apply. They are scheduled to fly out tonight. They are frantically working to stop the deportations tonight.

[gab13by13]

27. Krasnov's lawyers promised the judge

they would not fly anyone out tomorrow.

[Safe as Milk]

38. Krasnov's lawyers will continue to lie to a judge until...

their law licenses get revoked. A judge would have an audience with a new set of ears if that consequence were on the table. But I guess that it's far too complicated for judges to use that ultimatum to exude honesty from lawyers, so it won't happen.

[orangecrush]

16. Kick

[k_buddy762]

20. Even the remotest of possibilities

that may indicate US Citizens being sent abroad to serve prison sentences may (and should) spark a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR pushback, possibly physical, from Americans nationwide. This is how a country fights itself to death.

[Safe as Milk]

39. Before this crisis is over, there will be killings. Violence is inevitable.

We know what Trump's capabilities are. Trump, however, doesn't know what the citizens' capabilities are. For certain, Trump will kill people to maintain control. For him, killing is just a means to an end. Look at what he did with the COVID crisis. He killed hundreds of thousands to maintain control, and he'll do it again. We don't want to think of what a monster he is. All of those COVID deaths were NO ACCIDENT.

[Martin68]

23. Yes, we're all following this. You are not alone.

[Amaryllis]

24. I wondered becasue those two threads about it were barely moving and i thought it was reallly important so i made a post

referenced those two threads with a more urgent headline.

[gab13by13]

29. Don't feel bad,

I tried to keep SignalGate and NLRBGate alive and they both died.

[spanone]

32. KICKED & RECOMMENDED

[gab13by13]

30. Krasnov is paying Eric Prince a lot of money

to deport 100,000 people, so I don't see this ending.

How many of those 100,000 people are gang members? Even gang members deserve hearings.

[RandySF]

31. I'm sorry

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My meds keep my anxiety to a base level.

[calimary]

34. Hey, trump-&-comp tend to have that effect on people.

Sometimes it's a crisis only chocolate will fix. (At least for moi!)

[Skittles]

45. nothing to be sorry about

we all do what we have to do

[MayReasonRule]

48. Who Is This Moderation...?