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RandomNumbers

(18,533 posts)
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 03:35 PM 18 hrs ago

Info requested - Possible pending labeling of some 501c3s as "terrorist organizations" (Rumor?)

From Alt Rural Development on FB

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61573078658672

Heads up, we are hearing the administration is going to start going after a large number of 501c3s and labeling them as terrorist organizations. Keep an eye on the news, we are hearing the hammer will drop on Tuesday, April 22, Earth Day of all days.
With all of these organizations under attack, I believe it's critical new coalitions start to form. Nonprofits, universities, ag producers, law firms harmed by the Administration need to consider coming together with unrelated partners to stand against this tyranny. These are unprecedented times and it will take all of us.


Note, I consider this a *rumor* at this point. BUT: if it is despicable and doable, then this mal-administration might very well do it.

What are the implications if, for example, Krasnov announces that The Sierra Club is now designated a "terrorist organization"?

(Sierra Club is a random pick, of well know organizations that thousands, if not millions, of people donate to regularly)

What are the implications for people who have automatic recurring donations set up to these organizations? Or attend their events? Or have any other kind of involvement in the organization? What about recent or not-so-recent involvement?

What is the historical precedent? Have other administrations done a designation like this by executive order? Does it hold?

Feel free to talk me down ... I am not liking what I'm thinking here.

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Info requested - Possible pending labeling of some 501c3s as "terrorist organizations" (Rumor?) (Original Post) RandomNumbers 18 hrs ago OP
How reliable is that source? PoindexterOglethorpe 18 hrs ago #1
It is one of the "Alt" pages listed on Alt National Parks RandomNumbers 18 hrs ago #2
To your "why" question - because RandomNumbers 18 hrs ago #3
Very reliable obamanut2012 18 hrs ago #4
I believe it is this. It's real. AloeVera 17 hrs ago #5
The fact that so many Dems voted for this makes me sick to my stomach. alwaysinasnit 17 hrs ago #7
Doesn't it? Truly. AloeVera 17 hrs ago #8
Thank you for that list. Republicans are great at covering up their nefarious agenda with benign alwaysinasnit 17 hrs ago #12
WOW. Thanks for the info. RandomNumbers 17 hrs ago #9
I know. WOW. Bad news. But you're welcome! AloeVera 17 hrs ago #11
With that bill # as a prompt, I found more info RandomNumbers 17 hrs ago #13
Thanks, very good article. This part is interesting too: AloeVera 16 hrs ago #14
This message was self-deleted by its author alwaysinasnit 17 hrs ago #6
Sierra Club is indeed a terrist organization. It competes directly with the beloved ... JustABozoOnThisBus 17 hrs ago #10

RandomNumbers

(18,533 posts)
2. It is one of the "Alt" pages listed on Alt National Parks
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 03:45 PM
18 hrs ago

on FB.

Most seemed to feel Alt National Parks is credible.

By extension I would give some credibility to others they list as part of their "network"

I first saw it posted on another group that I respect, but that post linked back to the one I posted.

RandomNumbers

(18,533 posts)
3. To your "why" question - because
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 03:47 PM
18 hrs ago

I *really* want to know the answers to the questions I posed about the implications and historical precedents.

Unreal shit gets posted here ALL.THE.TIME.

Normally not be me. But IF THIS IS DOABLE by Krasnov, then I fully expect him to attempt it. And I want to know what it means.

I would LOVE it if one of the legal experts here were to come along and explain that even Krasnov can not possibly pull this shit off.

AloeVera

(2,500 posts)
5. I believe it is this. It's real.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:14 PM
17 hrs ago

House bill passed in November with 15 Democrats supporting it.

It may be coming up in the Senate now.

It's a draconian bill, hugely worrisome.

Background (from November).

US House of Representatives has passed a bill—called H.R. 9495—that would give the Treasury secretary, who is appointed by the president, unchecked power to declare nonprofit groups “terrorist supporting organizations.” Under the “Stop Terror Financing and Tax Penalties on American Hostages Act,” the Treasury secretary could take away the tax-exempt status of designated nonprofits, greatly curtailing or ending their ability to operate.

Introduced last year as a way to curb activism in response to the war in Gaza, the bill passed the House in April but didn’t get through the Senate and was brought back to the House for a vote this month. The bill failed for procedural reasons in an initial vote last week but passed today in a 219-184 vote. Should the bill pass the Senate, it would give the Executive Branch power to indiscriminately silence dissent at any nonprofit on a variety of issues. (The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is an independent, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization.)


More at link.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thebulletin.org/2024/11/why-a-newly-passed-house-terrorism-financing-bill-could-threaten-nonprofits-and-free-speech/amp/

AloeVera

(2,500 posts)
8. Doesn't it? Truly.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:23 PM
17 hrs ago

Here they are:

Yea CA – 19 D Panetta, Jimmy
Yea CA – 35 D Torres, Norma
Yea CO – 8 D Caraveo, Yadira
Yea FL – 23 D Moskowitz, Jared
Yea FL – 25 D Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Yea HI – 1 D Case, Ed
Yea IL – 10 D Schneider, Brad

Yea ME – 2 D Golden, Jared
Yea NV – 3 D Lee, Susie
Yea NY – 3 D Suozzi, Thomas
Yea NC – 1 D Davis, Donald
Yea TX – 28 D Cuellar, Henry
Yea TX – 32 D Allred, Colin
Yea TX – 34 D Gonzalez, Vicente
Yea WA – 3 D Gluesenkamp Perez, Marie

alwaysinasnit

(5,390 posts)
12. Thank you for that list. Republicans are great at covering up their nefarious agenda with benign
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:27 PM
17 hrs ago

legislation meant to help a segment of Americans, thereby pushing some Dems to make what I think are bad political choices.

RandomNumbers

(18,533 posts)
13. With that bill # as a prompt, I found more info
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:41 PM
17 hrs ago
https://nonprofitlawblog.com/h-r-9495-whats-next/

published on Feb 12, 2025

(I tried to find a similar title in the current legislative session on Congress.gov, but oddly ( ) search is not working there today. So then turned to my friend the google.)

Excerpt :


In a post published on November 19, 2024, we described H.R. 9495, the Stop Terror-Financing and Tax Penalties on American Hostages Act that passed the U.S. House of Representatives mostly along party lines on November 21. HR 9495, labeled by some as the ‘Nonprofit Killer Bill’ because it would have provided the Treasury Secretary with the unilateral right to designate a nonprofit as a terrorist supporting organization and revoke its tax-exempt status, stalled in the Senate of the 118th Congress. But that’s not likely to be the end of HR 9495.

An identical bill could be reintroduced and refiled for consideration by the House and the Senate of the 119th Congress, each now represented by a Republican majority. This seems likely based on the deluge of executive orders and administrative memos and actions, particularly those opposing diversity, inclusion, and equity, that have inflicted serious harm to the nonprofit and charitable sectors and communities dependent on the work of nonprofits and nongovernmental organizations.
...
What existing powers does the executive branch possess to revoke tax-exempt status of organizations that support terrorist organizations?

The executive branch has existing powers to designate an organization as one that provides material support or resources (1) for the commission of certain designated offenses that might be committed by terrorists or (2) to certain designated terrorist organizations. See Terrorist Material Support: An Overview of 18 U.S.C. § 2339A and § 2339B (Congressional Research Service, Updated August 15, 2023). A defendant, charged with providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization may not challenge the designation. The courts have consistently held that a defendant’s inability to challenge the designation does not offend due process; nor does it constitute an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority. In contrast, HR 9495 has been negotiated to include greater due process and an appeals process.

Internal Revenue Code Section 501(p), which HR 9495 seeks to build upon, already allows the IRS to suspend the tax-exempt status of organizations that support terrorist organizations, but the determination of “terrorist organizations” (including by virtue of supporting a terrorist organization) is made pursuant to other laws and not at the sole discretion of the Treasury Secretary. Notably, such determination may be made by Executive Order. For more information on 501(p) and HR 9495, see Comparison of Procedures in Current Section 501(p) and H.R. 6408 (Ellen P. Aprill, SSRN). Note that HR 6408 (further discussed below) is essentially the same bill as HR 9495.

...


Reading this did not make me feel better.

AloeVera

(2,500 posts)
14. Thanks, very good article. This part is interesting too:
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 05:15 PM
16 hrs ago
If there are already other antiterrorism laws, why would some members of Congress want to pass HR 9495?

Many believe the rationale behind HR 9495 is not to inhibit the support of terrorism. There are other laws that accomplish that goal, and the Treasury Secretary is not likely to be qualified to make the sole determination that an organization is supporting terrorism. The more likely goal of HR 9495 is to inhibit free speech where tax-exempt nonprofits are supporting Palestinians or other groups of people who may be ruled by terrorist organizations or governments engaged in terrorist activities. By coupling it to popular and noncontroversial antiterrorism provisions, the bill almost slipped through Congress last year without critical review and with some fear of elected officials to oppose any antiterrorism bill.

The controversial provisions in HR 9495 regarding termination of tax-exemption are the same as those in a bill, HR 6408, which passed overwhelmingly in the House by a 382 to 11 vote in April 2024. Many representatives who voted for HR 6408 must not have recognized or heard the strong concerns of nonprofits. Such concerns did, however, reach the Senate, where the bill stalled before being reintroduced as HR 9495, which also got stalled in the Senate very late in the political season. Now that the Republicans have gained control of the House and Senate, some believe that the reintroduction and passage of HR 9495 are inevitable absent a huge public outcry or a Democrat filibuster.


Re. the highlighted part: As someone else on this thread said, this is a well-known GOP tactic to get Dem support. Not sure it's wise for Democrats to fall for it - wittingly or not.

Response to RandomNumbers (Original post)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,076 posts)
10. Sierra Club is indeed a terrist organization. It competes directly with the beloved ...
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:25 PM
17 hrs ago

... Diet Coke. Leon needs to look into this.

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