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From Alt Rural Development on FB
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61573078658672
With all of these organizations under attack, I believe it's critical new coalitions start to form. Nonprofits, universities, ag producers, law firms harmed by the Administration need to consider coming together with unrelated partners to stand against this tyranny. These are unprecedented times and it will take all of us.
Note, I consider this a *rumor* at this point. BUT: if it is despicable and doable, then this mal-administration might very well do it.
What are the implications if, for example, Krasnov announces that The Sierra Club is now designated a "terrorist organization"?
(Sierra Club is a random pick, of well know organizations that thousands, if not millions, of people donate to regularly)
What are the implications for people who have automatic recurring donations set up to these organizations? Or attend their events? Or have any other kind of involvement in the organization? What about recent or not-so-recent involvement?
What is the historical precedent? Have other administrations done a designation like this by executive order? Does it hold?
Feel free to talk me down ... I am not liking what I'm thinking here.

PoindexterOglethorpe
(27,747 posts)Why post unfounded rumors?
RandomNumbers
(18,533 posts)on FB.
Most seemed to feel Alt National Parks is credible.
By extension I would give some credibility to others they list as part of their "network"
I first saw it posted on another group that I respect, but that post linked back to the one I posted.
RandomNumbers
(18,533 posts)I *really* want to know the answers to the questions I posed about the implications and historical precedents.
Unreal shit gets posted here ALL.THE.TIME.
Normally not be me. But IF THIS IS DOABLE by Krasnov, then I fully expect him to attempt it. And I want to know what it means.
I would LOVE it if one of the legal experts here were to come along and explain that even Krasnov can not possibly pull this shit off.
obamanut2012
(28,408 posts)AloeVera
(2,500 posts)House bill passed in November with 15 Democrats supporting it.
It may be coming up in the Senate now.
It's a draconian bill, hugely worrisome.
Background (from November).
Introduced last year as a way to curb activism in response to the war in Gaza, the bill passed the House in April but didnt get through the Senate and was brought back to the House for a vote this month. The bill failed for procedural reasons in an initial vote last week but passed today in a 219-184 vote. Should the bill pass the Senate, it would give the Executive Branch power to indiscriminately silence dissent at any nonprofit on a variety of issues. (The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is an independent, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization.)
More at link.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thebulletin.org/2024/11/why-a-newly-passed-house-terrorism-financing-bill-could-threaten-nonprofits-and-free-speech/amp/
alwaysinasnit
(5,390 posts)AloeVera
(2,500 posts)Here they are:
Yea CA 19 D Panetta, Jimmy
Yea CA 35 D Torres, Norma
Yea CO 8 D Caraveo, Yadira
Yea FL 23 D Moskowitz, Jared
Yea FL 25 D Wasserman Schultz, Debbie
Yea HI 1 D Case, Ed
Yea IL 10 D Schneider, Brad
Yea ME 2 D Golden, Jared
Yea NV 3 D Lee, Susie
Yea NY 3 D Suozzi, Thomas
Yea NC 1 D Davis, Donald
Yea TX 28 D Cuellar, Henry
Yea TX 32 D Allred, Colin
Yea TX 34 D Gonzalez, Vicente
Yea WA 3 D Gluesenkamp Perez, Marie
alwaysinasnit
(5,390 posts)legislation meant to help a segment of Americans, thereby pushing some Dems to make what I think are bad political choices.
RandomNumbers
(18,533 posts)AloeVera
(2,500 posts)RandomNumbers
(18,533 posts)published on Feb 12, 2025
(I tried to find a similar title in the current legislative session on Congress.gov, but oddly (

Excerpt :
In a post published on November 19, 2024, we described H.R. 9495, the Stop Terror-Financing and Tax Penalties on American Hostages Act that passed the U.S. House of Representatives mostly along party lines on November 21. HR 9495, labeled by some as the Nonprofit Killer Bill because it would have provided the Treasury Secretary with the unilateral right to designate a nonprofit as a terrorist supporting organization and revoke its tax-exempt status, stalled in the Senate of the 118th Congress. But thats not likely to be the end of HR 9495.
An identical bill could be reintroduced and refiled for consideration by the House and the Senate of the 119th Congress, each now represented by a Republican majority. This seems likely based on the deluge of executive orders and administrative memos and actions, particularly those opposing diversity, inclusion, and equity, that have inflicted serious harm to the nonprofit and charitable sectors and communities dependent on the work of nonprofits and nongovernmental organizations.
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What existing powers does the executive branch possess to revoke tax-exempt status of organizations that support terrorist organizations?
The executive branch has existing powers to designate an organization as one that provides material support or resources (1) for the commission of certain designated offenses that might be committed by terrorists or (2) to certain designated terrorist organizations. See Terrorist Material Support: An Overview of 18 U.S.C. § 2339A and § 2339B (Congressional Research Service, Updated August 15, 2023). A defendant, charged with providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization may not challenge the designation. The courts have consistently held that a defendants inability to challenge the designation does not offend due process; nor does it constitute an unconstitutional delegation of legislative authority. In contrast, HR 9495 has been negotiated to include greater due process and an appeals process.
Internal Revenue Code Section 501(p), which HR 9495 seeks to build upon, already allows the IRS to suspend the tax-exempt status of organizations that support terrorist organizations, but the determination of terrorist organizations (including by virtue of supporting a terrorist organization) is made pursuant to other laws and not at the sole discretion of the Treasury Secretary. Notably, such determination may be made by Executive Order. For more information on 501(p) and HR 9495, see Comparison of Procedures in Current Section 501(p) and H.R. 6408 (Ellen P. Aprill, SSRN). Note that HR 6408 (further discussed below) is essentially the same bill as HR 9495.
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Reading this did not make me feel better.

AloeVera
(2,500 posts)The controversial provisions in HR 9495 regarding termination of tax-exemption are the same as those in a bill, HR 6408, which passed overwhelmingly in the House by a 382 to 11 vote in April 2024. Many representatives who voted for HR 6408 must not have recognized or heard the strong concerns of nonprofits. Such concerns did, however, reach the Senate, where the bill stalled before being reintroduced as HR 9495, which also got stalled in the Senate very late in the political season. Now that the Republicans have gained control of the House and Senate, some believe that the reintroduction and passage of HR 9495 are inevitable absent a huge public outcry or a Democrat filibuster.
Re. the highlighted part: As someone else on this thread said, this is a well-known GOP tactic to get Dem support. Not sure it's wise for Democrats to fall for it - wittingly or not.
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JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,076 posts)... Diet Coke. Leon needs to look into this.