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JD Vance presents a twisted argument on the meaning of due process
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JD Vance presents a twisted argument on the meaning of due process
What the vice president argued in writing is that due process rights are, for all intents and purposes, optional.
What a dimwit.
What the vice president argued in writing is that due process rights are, for all intents and purposes, optional.
What a dimwit.
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JD Vance is apparently aware of the controversy surrounding Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whom the Trump administration mistakenly sent to a Salvadoran prison, and the vice president disapproves.
In fact, the Ohio Republican published a 300-word statement on the matter to social media this week, which only served to make the controversy worse. Vance began by asserting that Joe Biden allowed approximately 20 million illegal aliens into the United States a ridiculous figure for which the administration has no evidence before getting to the heart of his position:
......What Vance argued in writing is that due process rights are, for all intents and purposes, optional. The status of the accused should, according to the vice president, be considered when weighing whether the American system will comport with our constitutional principles.
This is a twisted perspective, but it isnt unique in contemporary Republican politics. Stephen Miller, a highly influential White House advisor, also recently argued online, Dear marxist judges, If an illegal alien criminal breaks into our country the only process he is entitled to is deportation.
Similarly, a variety of Fox News hosts have spent the last several weeks deriding due process as an unnecessary nicety and an impractical annoyance. Even on Capitol Hill, Republican Rep. Victoria Spartz of Indiana recently argued in public, You violated the law, you dont get due process.
The Washington Posts Dana Milbank recently wrote a memorable column about the underlying legal principle, which quoted Jeffrey Rosen, who runs the nonpartisan National Constitution Center. The very foundation of constitutionalism, which means a government according to law rather than autocratic whim, is the due process of law," he told the columnist. "What distinguishes a constitutional officeholder from an absolute monarch or a tyrant is that he is bound by the Constitution and by laws.
Milbank added, Without due process, there is no free market, because private property can be taken without justification or explanation. Without due process, there are no civil liberties, for a persons freedom can be taken for any reason, or none at all.
Without due process, you have what we see today: a leader using a wartime statute in peacetime to declare certain people to be dangerous gang members without providing any evidence, then imprisoning them without charges and finally denying the authority of the courts and defying a court order requiring the leader to obey the laws as written. It is no exaggeration to say that this is the road to despotism.
The vice presidents rejection of these foundational ideas is as scary as anything hes ever said or done.
In fact, the Ohio Republican published a 300-word statement on the matter to social media this week, which only served to make the controversy worse. Vance began by asserting that Joe Biden allowed approximately 20 million illegal aliens into the United States a ridiculous figure for which the administration has no evidence before getting to the heart of his position:
To say the administration must observe due process is to beg the question: what process is due is a function of our resources, the public interest, the status of the accused, the proposed punishment, and so many other factors. To put it in concrete terms, imposing the death penalty on an American citizen requires more legal process than deporting an illegal alien to their country of origin.
......What Vance argued in writing is that due process rights are, for all intents and purposes, optional. The status of the accused should, according to the vice president, be considered when weighing whether the American system will comport with our constitutional principles.
This is a twisted perspective, but it isnt unique in contemporary Republican politics. Stephen Miller, a highly influential White House advisor, also recently argued online, Dear marxist judges, If an illegal alien criminal breaks into our country the only process he is entitled to is deportation.
Similarly, a variety of Fox News hosts have spent the last several weeks deriding due process as an unnecessary nicety and an impractical annoyance. Even on Capitol Hill, Republican Rep. Victoria Spartz of Indiana recently argued in public, You violated the law, you dont get due process.
The Washington Posts Dana Milbank recently wrote a memorable column about the underlying legal principle, which quoted Jeffrey Rosen, who runs the nonpartisan National Constitution Center. The very foundation of constitutionalism, which means a government according to law rather than autocratic whim, is the due process of law," he told the columnist. "What distinguishes a constitutional officeholder from an absolute monarch or a tyrant is that he is bound by the Constitution and by laws.
Milbank added, Without due process, there is no free market, because private property can be taken without justification or explanation. Without due process, there are no civil liberties, for a persons freedom can be taken for any reason, or none at all.
Without due process, you have what we see today: a leader using a wartime statute in peacetime to declare certain people to be dangerous gang members without providing any evidence, then imprisoning them without charges and finally denying the authority of the courts and defying a court order requiring the leader to obey the laws as written. It is no exaggeration to say that this is the road to despotism.
The vice presidents rejection of these foundational ideas is as scary as anything hes ever said or done.
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JD Vance presents a twisted argument on the meaning of due process (Original Post)
LetMyPeopleVote
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Skittles
(163,413 posts)1. what he means is, there is a hierarchy
where white straight "christian" conservative homegrown men get due process without question while being the same people who decide how everyone else is treated
rickyhall
(5,115 posts)2. This is the guy who will replace trump. Modern Cyber Fascist - Scary
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(121,672 posts)3. A scholarship to Yale law school was wasted on this guy
