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Horse with no Name

(34,159 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:56 AM Thursday

ETA: written by Dr. Pru Lee. Timely advice

Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:17 PM - Edit history (2)

VERY LONG READ, BUT WORTH THE TIME! actionable steps we MUST take to win our country back from the fascists.
(ETA to remove inaccurate information )
Dear Democratic Party,

I need more from you.
You keep sending emails begging for $15,
while we’re watching fascism consolidate power in real time.

This administration is not simply “a different ideology.”
It is a coordinated, authoritarian machine — with the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the executive pen all under its control.

And you?

You’re still asking for decorum and donations. WTF.
That won’t save us.

I don’t want to hear another polite floor speech.
I want strategy.

I want fire.

I want action so bold it shifts the damn news cycle — not fits inside one.

Every time I see something from the DNC, it’s asking me for funds.

Surprise. Those of us who donate don’t want to keep sending money just to watch you stand frozen as the Constitution goes up in flames — shaking your heads and saying, “Well, there’s not much we can do. He has the majority.”

I call bullshit.

If you don’t know how to think outside the box…
If you don’t know how to strategize…
If you don’t know how to fight fire with fire…
what the hell are we giving you money for?
Some of us have two or three advanced degrees.
Some of us have military training.
Some of us know what coordinated resistance looks like — and this ain’t it.

Yes, the tours around the country? Nice.

The speeches? Nice.

The clever congressional clapbacks? Nice.

That was great for giving hope.

Now we need action.

You have to stop acting like this is a normal presidency that will just time out in four years.
We’re not even at Day 90, and look at the chaos.
Look at the disappearances.
Look at the erosion of the judiciary, the press, and our rights.

If you do not stop this, we will not make it 1,460 days.
So here’s what I need from you — right now:

1. Form an independent, civilian-powered investigative coalition.
I’m talking experts. Veterans. Whistleblowers. Journalists. Watchdog orgs.
Deputize the resistance. Build a real-time archive of corruption, overreach, and executive abuse.
Make it public. Make it unshakable.
Let the people drag the rot into the light.
If you can’t hold formal hearings, hold public ones.
If Congress won’t act, let the country act.
This isn’t about optics — it’s about receipts.
Because at some point, these people will be held accountable.
And when that day comes, we’ll need every name, every signature, every illegal order, every act of silence—documented.
You’re not just preserving truth — you’re preparing evidence for prosecution.
The more they vanish people and weaponize data, the more we need truth in the sunlight.

2. Join the International Criminal Court.
Yes, I said it. Call their bluff.
You cannot control what the other side does.
But you can control your own integrity.
So prove it. Prove that your party is still grounded in law, human rights, and ethical leadership.
Join.
If you’ve got nothing to hide — join.
Show the world who’s hiding bodies, bribes, and buried bank accounts.
Force the GOP to explain why they’d rather protect a war criminal than sign a treaty.
And while you’re at it, publicly invite ICC observers into U.S. borders.
Make this administration explain — on camera — why they’re terrified of international oversight.

3. Fund state-level resistance infrastructure.
Don’t just send postcards. Send resources.
Channel DNC funds into rapid-response teams, legal defense coalitions, sanctuary networks, and digital security training.
If the federal government is hijacked, build power underneath it.
If the laws become tools of oppression, help people resist them legally, locally, and boldly.
This is not campaign season — this is an authoritarian purge.
Stop campaigning.
Act like this is the end of democracy, because it is.
We WILL REMEMBER the warriors come primaries.
Fighting this regime should be your marketing strategy.
And let’s be clear:
The reason the other side always seems three steps ahead is because they ARE.
They prepared for this.
They infiltrated school boards, courts, local legislatures, and police unions.
They built a machine while you wrote press releases.
We’re reacting — they’ve been executing a plan for years.
It’s time to shift from panic to blueprint.
You should already be working with strategists and military minds on PROJECT 2029 —
a coordinated, long-term plan to rebuild this country when the smoke clears.
You should be publicly laying out:
• The laws and amendments you’ll pass to ensure this never happens again
• The systems you’ll tear down and the safeguards you’ll enshrine
• The plan to hold perpetrators of human atrocities accountable
• The urgent commitment to immediately bring home those sold into slavery in El Salvador
You say you’re the party of the people?
Then show the people the plan.

4. Use your platform to educate the public on rights and resistance tactics.
If they’re going to strip us of rights and lie about it — arm the people with truth.
Text campaigns. Mass trainings. Downloadable “Know Your Rights” kits. Multilingual legal guides. Encrypted phone trees.
Give people tools, not soundbites.
We don’t need more slogans.
We need survival manuals.

5. Leverage international media and watchdogs.
Stop hoping U.S. cable news will wake up.
They’re too busy playing both sides of fascism.
Feed the real stories to BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Reuters, Der Spiegel — hell, leak them to anonymous dropboxes if you have to.
Make what’s happening in America a global scandal.
And stop relying on platforms that are actively suppressing truth.
Start leveraging Substack. Use Bluesky.
That’s where the resistance is migrating. That’s where censorship hasn’t caught up.
If the mainstream won’t carry the truth — outflank them.
Get creative. Go underground. Go global.
If our democracy is being dismantled in broad daylight, make sure the whole world sees it — and make sure we’re still able to say it.

6. Create a digital safe haven for whistleblowers and defectors.
Not everyone inside this regime is loyal.
Some are scared. Some want out.
Build the channels.
Encrypted. Anonymous. Protected.
Make it easy for the cracks in the system to become gaping holes.
And while you’re at it?
Stop ostracizing MAGA defectors.
Everyone makes mistakes — even glaring, critical ones.
We are not the bullies.
We are not the ones filled with hate.
And it is not your job to shame people who finally saw the fire and chose to step out of it.
They will have to deal with that internal struggle — the guilt of putting a very dangerous and callous regime in power.
But they’re already outnumbered. Don’t push them back into the crowd.
We don’t need purity.
We need numbers.
We need people willing to burn their red hats and testify against the machine they helped build.

7. Study the collapse—and the comeback.
You should be learning from South Korea and how they managed their brief rule under dictatorship.
They didn’t waste time chasing the one man with absolute immunity.
They went after the structure.
The aides. The enforcers. The loyalists. The architects.
They knocked out the foundation one pillar at a time —
until the “strongman” had no one left to stand on.
And his power crumbled beneath him.
You should be independently investigating every author of Project 2025,
every aide who defies court orders,
every communications director repeating lies,
every policy writer enabling cruelty,
every water boy who keeps this engine running.
You can’t stop a regime by asking the king to sit down.
You dismantle the throne he’s standing on — one coward at a time.

Stop being scared to fight dirty when the other side is fighting to erase the damn Constitution.
They are threatening to disappear AMERICANS.
A M E R I C A N S.
And your biggest move can’t be another strongly worded email.
We don’t want your urgently fundraising subject lines.
We want backbone.
We want action.
We want to know you’ll stand up before we’re all ordered to sit down — permanently.
We are watching.
And I don’t just mean your base.
I mean millions of us who see exactly what’s happening.
I’ve only got 6,000 followers — but the groups I’m in? The networks I touch? Over a quarter million.
Often when I speak, it echoes.
But when we ALL
speak, it ROARS with pressure that will cause change.
We need to be deafening.
You still have a chance to do something historic.
To be remembered for courage, not caution.
To go down as the party that didn’t just watch the fall — but fought the hell back with everything they had.
But the clock is ticking.
And the deportation buses are idling.

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ETA: written by Dr. Pru Lee. Timely advice (Original Post) Horse with no Name Thursday OP
Actually written by Dr. Pru Lee jmbar2 Thursday #1
Jaime Harrison was a 3 from 1-10 in his tenure. I'm sure he'll be all over this awesomerwb1 Thursday #3
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Thursday #26
In case you meant this to go to the Chair of the DNC, Jaime Harrison is no longer here. Ken Martin is now chair, Lonestarblue Thursday #4
I don't know who she is but it is great advice LymphocyteLover Yesterday #91
Is there a link to this TommyT139 Thursday #2
Not authored by Liz Cheney Fiendish Thingy Thursday #5
Ditto. THANKS for the edit to correct the title, Horse! nilram Thursday #9
It was a mistake, not a lie jmbar2 Thursday #33
I didn't say the OP wrote it on purpose. nilram Thursday #39
Aren't we supposed to have links? Pris Thursday #6
I cannot believe I am reading this. MuseRider Thursday #7
Yes, but not Liz Cheney. She did not write this. AllyCat Thursday #14
Thanks I did see that but MuseRider Thursday #46
Love that 2nd sentence!!!! Grins Thursday #8
Freaking ActBlue. nilram Thursday #10
I recommend you make all future donations through Qutzupalotl Thursday #70
Thanks!! nilram Thursday #74
I have unsubscribed from so many emails and texts berksdem Thursday #19
My thinking is: show me how hard you can fight for a few years, and then I'll know if you're worth the coin. Magoo48 Thursday #32
Lie ! not "from Liz Cheney" And Liz Cheney certainly did NOT write this. stopdiggin Thursday #11
It is a mistake, not a lie. jmbar2 Thursday #34
I'll accept that stopdiggin Thursday #48
Meanwhile, you're hijacking a thread with really good information about how NOT TO LOSE OUR DEMOCRACY. Scrivener7 Thursday #68
because of what I see as egregious error - that is far to often given a 'pass' stopdiggin 21 hrs ago #98
. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #102
Amen to that. Joinfortmill Thursday #63
GREAT Action Plan! Martin Eden Thursday #12
Thanks for focusing on what is important, VERY IMPORTANT, rather than who wrote it !!! Trust_Reality Thursday #69
This is not Liz Cheney. Please update your post with correct information. AllyCat Thursday #13
Done. Horse with no Name Thursday #54
Please also edit the incorrect text that is the top of the post, which still gives the wrong impression. thesquanderer Thursday #84
PIN THIS usonian Thursday #15
looking for an answer - this helps Prince99 Thursday #16
lol... more Liz Cheney deification. WarGamer Thursday #17
Lol! C'mon! You know that's an asinine take on this, right? Scrivener7 Thursday #24
No worse than people here who deify Putin and Musk BannonsLiver Thursday #60
I haven't seen a single DU'er... EVER who deifies Putin. WarGamer Thursday #62
Brilliant! Chi67 Thursday #18
She didn't write it. chowder66 Thursday #25
It is outstanding, who ever wrote it. Trust_Reality Thursday #71
Re money: So found it interesting, our young friend of late Mr Hogg GusBob Thursday #20
That's the conclusion I am reluctantly coming to in this case. Susan Calvin Thursday #36
I dunno either GusBob Thursday #42
Liz Cjheney is a stopped clock arch conseervative Warpy Thursday #21
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Thursday #23
In these times that's a lot. Joinfortmill Thursday #64
This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Thursday #22
Every line of this is what we should do. Scrivener7 Thursday #27
SOMEBODY - IS THIS OR IS IT NOT LIZ CHENEY? orangecrush Thursday #28
Who cares? They're GREAT ideas. Scrivener7 Thursday #30
Agree! jmbar2 Thursday #35
Indeed. People also dont bother to read the thread drray23 Thursday #51
Why is it so frustrating for you? Irish_Dem Thursday #53
because it devolves into back and forth sniping at each other instead of productive discussions.nt. drray23 Thursday #55
You are going to see human nature at work on every internet forum. Irish_Dem Thursday #57
And of course the braintrusts can't get past the error in attribution Scrivener7 Thursday #29
Rofl Joinfortmill Thursday #65
I wish I could recommend your post 100 times..... Butterflylady 22 hrs ago #97
Who is Dr. Pru Lee? BarbD Thursday #31
It's generally helpful to read the thread first jmbar2 Thursday #37
I did read the thread but am still confused. BarbD Thursday #41
It hasn't been corrected BonnieJW Thursday #49
Yup. Seems like every few weeks I need to take a break Joinfortmill Thursday #66
Apparently, it was found on a Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger Facebook group (thus wrongly attributed to her). demmiblue Thursday #44
Thanks demmiblue. I'm 87 and not on social media. BarbD Thursday #45
I received my check this week. Joinfortmill Thursday #67
could be a pseudonym RockCreek Yesterday #89
I hope Dr Lee is returning all the fund raising letters with nothing but this advice in the return. Jim__ Thursday #38
2025 needed to be investigated these last 2 years bucolic_frolic Thursday #40
Not "we" BonnieJW Thursday #50
Highly, highly recommended democrank Thursday #43
THIS. Sky Jewels Thursday #47
Horse, you should repost this every day for a week to make sure everyone sees it. It's really good. Scrivener7 Thursday #52
Whoever wrote that MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #56
Tell me you didn't read it without telling me you didn't read it. Scrivener7 Thursday #80
Whoever wrote that was clueless with the "Join the International Criminal Court" suggestion. highplainsdem Thursday #58
But but but Hornedfrog2000 Thursday #59
This!!! Joinfortmill Thursday #61
Bookmarking to read later liberalla Thursday #72
I love this level of irony, if it weren't so loathesome and accurate. Noodleboy13 Thursday #73
The irony would be delicious Schadenfreude if it weren't so loathesome. Noodleboy13 Thursday #75
I've copied this and saved it on my desktop, so I can bring it up slightlv Thursday #76
Thank you for posting this. Kick, Rec and Bookmarked. Mike 03 Thursday #77
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address withdrawn because his shoelaces were uneven length. usonian Thursday #78
Very well said. Can you believe this nonsense? I hope Horse With No Name re-posts this so serious people can see it. Scrivener7 Thursday #79
There is a post in Activist HQ by DU'er werdna with a link to the Daily Kos article, with original attribution. usonian Thursday #86
It's a rehash of what lots of others have already said, which the exception of the ICC bit, which highplainsdem Thursday #82
. Scrivener7 Thursday #83
Thank you for the common sense! jmbar2 23 hrs ago #95
Great advice, thank you! Wild blueberry Thursday #81
Good Post CitizenZero Thursday #85
Congressional Law Enforcement CitizenZero Yesterday #87
I was thinking the other day, there needs to be a moratorium on donation texts ecstatic Yesterday #88
k&r n/t markie Yesterday #90
You've already had Gordcanuck Yesterday #93
Yesterday, I got a survey from the DCCC..... lastlib Yesterday #92
Great idea! jmbar2 23 hrs ago #94
I recall getting something of the sort, and a field to fill in if I declined. usonian 21 hrs ago #99
there's a fb cheney/kinzinger fan page spreading this as liz's writing. mopinko 22 hrs ago #96
but apparently this is all 'OK' stopdiggin 21 hrs ago #100
exactly who the peddler is is a mystery. mopinko 21 hrs ago #101

Lonestarblue

(12,550 posts)
4. In case you meant this to go to the Chair of the DNC, Jaime Harrison is no longer here. Ken Martin is now chair,
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:20 PM
Thursday

TommyT139

(1,230 posts)
2. Is there a link to this
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:01 PM
Thursday
that's reputable and forward-able?

Edited: Ah! Many thanks to poster above.

nilram

(3,148 posts)
39. I didn't say the OP wrote it on purpose.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:56 PM
Thursday

It was probably a cut and paste issue. I'm thoroughly glad that the OP corrected it. It would diminish DU's credibility if it wasn't.

MuseRider

(34,573 posts)
7. I cannot believe I am reading this.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:35 PM
Thursday

To be honest I teared up reading to my husband who almost did too.

I have some experience, almost always a small part doing a lot of work but that is a great place to bring things up like this or teach people how to make your freaking rights safe.

Let's get em!

Grins

(8,234 posts)
8. Love that 2nd sentence!!!!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:37 PM
Thursday
You keep sending emails begging for $15…”

And they never stop coming!
Two weeks after the Nov. 2024 election I got the first one.
Shortly after, I got 2 more.

From incumbents and candidates I don’t know, and from states in which I don’t live.

Really had it with them.

nilram

(3,148 posts)
10. Freaking ActBlue.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:40 PM
Thursday

I click the checkbox to not share my name with other campaigns every time, yet I'm still spammed like hell.

Qutzupalotl

(15,325 posts)
70. I recommend you make all future donations through
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:04 PM
Thursday
https://app.oath.vote/

They don't spam you or sell your info.

Their site is mainly set up to donate to close races where we're behind and just need a push — but you can search for any major race.

Former DUer brooklynite gave us that tip.

Magoo48

(6,233 posts)
32. My thinking is: show me how hard you can fight for a few years, and then I'll know if you're worth the coin.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:42 PM
Thursday

stopdiggin

(13,594 posts)
11. Lie ! not "from Liz Cheney" And Liz Cheney certainly did NOT write this.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:43 PM
Thursday

You (and to a degree myself) might agree with the message/point being sent.
But I will never be on board with lying and misinfo in the service of ...
Pisses me off !

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

jmbar2

(6,805 posts)
34. It is a mistake, not a lie.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:45 PM
Thursday

No need to get ugly on DU. Seeing too much of that lately.

stopdiggin

(13,594 posts)
48. I'll accept that
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:24 PM
Thursday

If in fact it was an honest mistake .. (attributing authorship to someone like Cheney - is a rather big 'oops' )
If you will accept the fact that I have a right to be upset and POd - when I think I'm being bamboozled, shined on and deliberately misled - on a site that I appreciate, put some effort into, and where I sincerely hope that type of dreck would not become the norm and prevail. (as it does in so many other places !)

Scrivener7

(55,356 posts)
68. Meanwhile, you're hijacking a thread with really good information about how NOT TO LOSE OUR DEMOCRACY.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:42 PM
Thursday

Jesus H.

stopdiggin

(13,594 posts)
98. because of what I see as egregious error - that is far to often given a 'pass'
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 12:32 PM
21 hrs ago

and tolerated.

Shades of George W. and his 'truthiness' ! Jesus H. pretty much nails it !

Trust_Reality

(2,142 posts)
69. Thanks for focusing on what is important, VERY IMPORTANT, rather than who wrote it !!!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:00 PM
Thursday

This is an outstanding call to action with specifics.

Big thank you to whom ever wrote it.

Now let's get to work.

AllyCat

(17,800 posts)
13. This is not Liz Cheney. Please update your post with correct information.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:47 PM
Thursday

while I agree with the sentiment, and the ideas, this is not Liz Cheney's writing.

Thank you.

thesquanderer

(12,567 posts)
84. Please also edit the incorrect text that is the top of the post, which still gives the wrong impression.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 08:21 PM
Thursday

This part should be edited out or substantially changed:

Like her or not, former Congressperson Liz Cheney has a plan…and we're now all on the same side. She suggests actionable steps we MUST take to win our country back from the fascists.

From Liz Cheney:


usonian

(17,121 posts)
15. PIN THIS
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:58 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)

It's a real plan.

See companion post:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1324&pid=3090

I thank Bernie and AOC for setting up the popular support. Now, let's organize.

We can capitalize on the massive failures that the clowns and their clones are setting up, AND those who will bear witness to abuse.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20215296 



Short:
1. A devastating cyber hack, thanks to our cyber-security being gutted and run by people concerned over DEI and little else. 



2. A physical attack is made on the US, given it’s new clowncar security by cronies with no expertise. (and again, far more concerned about DEI than physical security) 



3. Someone with information (as in Trump's escapades with Epstein) blows up the charade. 

Business as usual is gone.


AND, I already posted a digital safety guide. I haven't added to it, because FIRST STEPS FIRST, and everyone needs to grasp the basics.


I'll post the link(s) here shortly.

Resistance needs to be out of sight of the gazpacho police. That's what secure communications are for, but pointers here are OK.

Organizations and tools to fight for Democracy.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113622
THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT
Most people can’t handle lots of complexity.

Infosec 101 for Activists.
Good general info
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113776
https://infosecforactivists.org/

The Protesters' Guide to Smartphone Security
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113702
https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2025/01/23/activists-guide-securing-your-smartphone/

EFF Border Search Guide.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20165635


Other organizations:

Organizations already fighting for the people.
WE ARE NOT ALONE.
Help these organizations
How to fight back: charting opposition to the actions of the Trump administration
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10114001

EFF: https://eff.org

PROTESTS, RALLIES & DIRECT ACTION EVENTS
Organizations which are coordinating actions:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113922

Prince99

(76 posts)
16. looking for an answer - this helps
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:05 PM
Thursday

At this juncture - I would support a Liz Cheney/AOC ticket or a new party.

Scrivener7

(55,356 posts)
24. Lol! C'mon! You know that's an asinine take on this, right?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:30 PM
Thursday

You're just messing, right?

Because if not,

GusBob

(7,863 posts)
20. Re money: So found it interesting, our young friend of late Mr Hogg
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:21 PM
Thursday

he wants to shake things up by primary challenges , he had to mentioned money, 20$ million I believe

and I thought to myself: that just sounds like same-old, same old politics

Susan Calvin

(2,246 posts)
36. That's the conclusion I am reluctantly coming to in this case.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:50 PM
Thursday

I had a monthly donation set up to him, but now I dunno.

GusBob

(7,863 posts)
42. I dunno either
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:02 PM
Thursday

There's much I dont. I saw where Charlie Pierce wrote against his movement. I like Charlie and hear him alot on the radio.
I saw where Carville dog attacked him, Carville is "but now I dunno" type for me.

Ms Harris had a billion dollars and it didnt work. Wasting money in primaries doesn't seem like a good idea when we are fighting against an Oligarchy. I dont see how money helps in a war against dictatorship.

As the OP mentions, we need strength and backbone in this fight

Warpy

(113,216 posts)
21. Liz Cjheney is a stopped clock arch conseervative
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:27 PM
Thursday

who is deeply patriotic and therefore right twice a day. I can live with that, although there is little other than her committment to the constitution and rule of law that I can agree with.

Response to Warpy (Reply #21)

Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Scrivener7

(55,356 posts)
27. Every line of this is what we should do.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:35 PM
Thursday

The "There's nothing we can doooo" whine is bullshit and it's losing us our Democracy.

It's not supportive of Democrats.

Those whining, "there's nothing we can doooo!1!" are trump's lackeys.

orangecrush

(24,196 posts)
28. SOMEBODY - IS THIS OR IS IT NOT LIZ CHENEY?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:36 PM
Thursday

Either way, it's still damn good.

But, I had to delete 2 posts that were based on the assumption it was her.

Please provide link - document.

jmbar2

(6,805 posts)
35. Agree!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:48 PM
Thursday

Someone makes an innocent attribution error and an army descends to condemn. Even after it was corrected.

DU didn't used to be this mean. What's going on?!

drray23

(8,204 posts)
51. Indeed. People also dont bother to read the thread
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:46 PM
Thursday

Before commenting. This has frustrated me many times. You correct something and yet 50 more comments follow completely ignoring posts up thread.

drray23

(8,204 posts)
55. because it devolves into back and forth sniping at each other instead of productive discussions.nt.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:07 PM
Thursday

Irish_Dem

(68,187 posts)
57. You are going to see human nature at work on every internet forum.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:10 PM
Thursday

And in every home and workplace.

Instead of fighting it, sometimes you just have to go with the flow.
And perhaps be entertained or find it amusing.

Trying to control online behavior is a hopeless task unless you are a forum moderator.

Scrivener7

(55,356 posts)
29. And of course the braintrusts can't get past the error in attribution
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:38 PM
Thursday

to see the Democracy-saving value in this message.


I despair.

BarbD

(1,318 posts)
31. Who is Dr. Pru Lee?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:41 PM
Thursday

I'm confused. The post is excellent, BUT why use Liz Cheney's name incorrectly?

jmbar2

(6,805 posts)
37. It's generally helpful to read the thread first
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:51 PM
Thursday

Someone made an attribution error, and corrected it. An army of folks then attacked over the error without seeing that it was corrected.

Been seeing this a lot lately on DU. Didn't used to be that mean.

BarbD

(1,318 posts)
41. I did read the thread but am still confused.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:00 PM
Thursday

I appreciate the correction, BUT still wonder who this Dr. Pru is. I googled the name but(and there is that "but" again) all I found out was she/he was the correct author. So, who exactly is the real author?

demmiblue

(38,242 posts)
44. Apparently, it was found on a Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger Facebook group (thus wrongly attributed to her).
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:05 PM
Thursday

It is unclear who Dr. Pru Lee is.



It is excellent advice, though!

BarbD

(1,318 posts)
45. Thanks demmiblue. I'm 87 and not on social media.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:16 PM
Thursday

I need all the help I can get especially now when I'm not sure my Social Security check will show up next week. My real concern is for my 10 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren. What kind of advice can I give them in this scary world?

Jim__

(14,673 posts)
38. I hope Dr Lee is returning all the fund raising letters with nothing but this advice in the return.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:54 PM
Thursday

bucolic_frolic

(49,812 posts)
40. 2025 needed to be investigated these last 2 years
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:57 PM
Thursday

Our response to Jan6 was feckless. Historians have studied coups, rebellions, insurrections, revolutions for hundreds of years. We failed to even convince the public that one had occurred, and we were very late to realizing it was still in motion.

democrank

(11,416 posts)
43. Highly, highly recommended
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:04 PM
Thursday

The best piece of advice I’ve ever read for any citizens ready, willing and able to take on the fascists.

Scrivener7

(55,356 posts)
52. Horse, you should repost this every day for a week to make sure everyone sees it. It's really good.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:48 PM
Thursday

highplainsdem

(55,433 posts)
58. Whoever wrote that was clueless with the "Join the International Criminal Court" suggestion.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:33 PM
Thursday

Some real info on the US and the ICC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

It would be interesting to know who actually wrote it. It shouldn't have been hard to rule out Liz Cheney, because it's guaranteed that if she had issued a statement like this, it would instantly have made international news.

Sigh.

As far as I can tell from what I skimmed above, no one knows who the person saying they wrote it is, or if they actually wrote it. If they wrote it and posted it online, that should be as viewable as the thoughtless post on Threads by someone who made up a fake Martha Stewart quote recently, and didn't bother to tell people it was made up till a day later.

Whoever wrote it was apparently well-intentioned and very concerned, but there's nothing at all original in it except the very naive ICC suggestion. We have no idea what their other writings are like, what they've been interested in and advocated.

And btw, didn't ANYONE notice the line in there about the unknown author of that rant having only 6,000 followers? Anyone here think Liz Cheney has only 6,000 followers on any platform she posts on?

Hornedfrog2000

(109 posts)
59. But but but
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:45 PM
Thursday

If nobody is writing sternly worded emails, speaches, etc. Who will do so? Who will be fundraising for us when we are trying to save america ? Sniffle sniffle

Noodleboy13

(435 posts)
73. I love this level of irony, if it weren't so loathesome and accurate.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:10 PM
Thursday

This is a well written call to real action and y'all are quibbling amongst yourselves about Liz Cheneys role in it's authorship. Maybe you should go back and re-read the article for content. Digest it. Think about it. Excatly how do your weak attempts at internet "snarkiness" help in any way shape or form. You guys are about as sarcastic as damp toast. I actually have some effective revolutionary tactics i learned in the 80s that are still quite applicable. All essentially non-violent, but they do require bravery. Just sayin.

Peace,
Noodleboy

Noodleboy13

(435 posts)
75. The irony would be delicious Schadenfreude if it weren't so loathesome.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:12 PM
Thursday

This is a well written call to real action and y'all are quibbling amongst yourselves about Liz Cheneys role in it's authorship. Maybe you should go back and re-read the article for content. Digest it. Think about it. Excatly how do your weak attempts at internet "snarkiness" help in any way shape or form. You guys are about as sarcastic as damp toast. I actually have some effective revolutionary tactics i learned in the 80s that are still quite applicable. All essentially non-violent, but they do require bravery. Just sayin.

Peace,
Noodleboy

slightlv

(5,393 posts)
76. I've copied this and saved it on my desktop, so I can bring it up
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:19 PM
Thursday

at any time and re-read it, until what she writes is etched it my brain.

usonian

(17,121 posts)
78. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address withdrawn because his shoelaces were uneven length.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:01 PM
Thursday

NOT

A politician in a parade was hit by tomatoes.

He was rushed to the emergency room with contusions and lacerations.

Asked later why tomatoes could cause such wounds, he replied:

THEY WERE STILL IN THE CAN.

Moral of the story: Don't confuse the contents for the container.

This is great advice. EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WIN A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.

And have a great day. After two miserable days of fog and drizzle, the sun is peeking through clouds. 🌞

Scrivener7

(55,356 posts)
79. Very well said. Can you believe this nonsense? I hope Horse With No Name re-posts this so serious people can see it.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:09 PM
Thursday

usonian

(17,121 posts)
86. There is a post in Activist HQ by DU'er werdna with a link to the Daily Kos article, with original attribution.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:43 PM
Thursday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/13243082

Of course, vastly fewer replies.

It's like W.C. Fields.

” I always carry a flask of whisky in case of snake bite.
I also carry a small snake”

No controversy? Create some.

highplainsdem

(55,433 posts)
82. It's a rehash of what lots of others have already said, which the exception of the ICC bit, which
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:47 PM
Thursday

shows a lot of naivete and is completely unworkable.

We've already seen lots of good advice posted here from people with expertise and a history of writing on these subjects.

This would NOT have gone viral if someone hadn't added Liz Cheney's name to it to try to make it both more authoritative and more controversial.

CitizenZero

(748 posts)
87. Congressional Law Enforcement
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 02:08 AM
Yesterday

It occurs to me that one thing that we might do if we regain control of Congress is to establish an independent office or agency for law enforcement that acts as an enforcement arm of Congress. So if we regain control of the Congress we can have a Task Force to investigate Trump Musk and give such a Task Force teeth and the ability to enforce law and judgments since the Department of Justice is compromised by the corruption of the Trump Musk Regime. Congress could establish and fund such an Office in the same way it did the Congressional Budget Office, which I believe answers to Congress and not directly to the Executive.

ecstatic

(34,732 posts)
88. I was thinking the other day, there needs to be a moratorium on donation texts
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 02:12 AM
Yesterday

It's completely out of control. I do not want to block Democrats because obviously when the time is right I'm going to get back into donating and attending events.

But the way it's being done now, the volume of texts from all these different people is just too much, especially considering the general impression that many of us have right now.

Gordcanuck

(61 posts)
93. You've already had
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:04 AM
Yesterday

one civil war, the Docror’s long post is a call to arms you are not prepared for. The fascists know it and are ready to ramp it up in the next few nanoseconds. All they need is one “provocation” to fire up martial law and start mass arrests.
That’s just about all the time you have left to genuinely fight back. You’ll go to internment camps and exile if you don’t.

lastlib

(25,735 posts)
92. Yesterday, I got a survey from the DCCC.....
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:47 AM
Yesterday

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, asking what priorities should be for 2026. I printed this off and sent it to them, in lieu of my $15. This is more valuable than my measly $15. I hope it gets somebody's attention there.

usonian

(17,121 posts)
99. I recall getting something of the sort, and a field to fill in if I declined.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 12:41 PM
21 hrs ago

That was a while ago, but the short message was and is

NO ACTION, NO MONEY

They are probably getting a lot of similar replies.

The party is tied to big money, just as Bernie and AOC truthfully say.

They can't be resistance, even though Hitler is deporting people and burning down institutions.

They'd be sitting out La Marseillaise at Rick's Cafe.

mopinko

(72,250 posts)
96. there's a fb cheney/kinzinger fan page spreading this as liz's writing.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:27 AM
22 hrs ago

they pretend they’re actually them. not labeled as a fan page at all. in fact, it pretends it’s about a 2028 run. it’s changed it’s name a couple times, all w the same deceptive aim.
i called them out. good lefties and a good page, but very flexible on the topic of truth. upsetting.
they finally took my post down. too many ppl agreeing w me, i guess.

i do have to wonder who they rly r. someone collecting data is my guess.

stopdiggin

(13,594 posts)
100. but apparently this is all 'OK'
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 12:48 PM
21 hrs ago

if the message is sufficiently liberal or progressive. You know - the old 'truthiness' quotient !

I'm with you. Misinfo and intentional distortion are a bane, and deserve to be called out ... Regardless of who is peddling the goods.

mopinko

(72,250 posts)
101. exactly who the peddler is is a mystery.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 12:52 PM
21 hrs ago

i mean, there’s admins w names. obvs someone on the job, cuz they nixed my call out.
but who they r, well, who knows. but it smells funny to me.

we rly have to get a lot less gullible if we’re gonna survive this.

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