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Dennis Donovan

(30,289 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:15 AM Thursday

Mediaite: James Carville Calls David Hogg a 'Contemptible Little Twerp' and Suggests DNC Sue Him

Mediaite - James Carville Calls David Hogg a ‘Contemptible Little Twerp’ and Suggests DNC Sue Him

Zachary Leeman
Apr 17th, 2025, 9:46 am

James Carville slammed Democratic National Committee Vice Chair David Hogg as a “contemptible little twerp” and suggested the DNC sue him on Wednesday.

Carville joined NewsNation’s Chris Cuomo on Wednesday following his call for progressive Democrats more concerned with “pronoun politics” to leave to Democratic Party. In Carville’s interview, he slammed Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), and Hogg, arguing that all three are part of the problem.

All three, the Democratic strategist said, are more interested in targeting Democrats than Republicans.

Carville took particular issue with Hogg and his newly-announced venture to use millions to challenge incumbent Democrats.

/snip


Carville's time has come and gone, but no one seems to have informed him.
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Mediaite: James Carville Calls David Hogg a 'Contemptible Little Twerp' and Suggests DNC Sue Him (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Thursday OP
This isn't 1990, Mr. Carville. Ocelot II Thursday #1
He's got a point on Hogg though. What's the use of primarying a sitting Dem... brush Thursday #31
Hogg may or may not be wrong, but Carville calling him "a contemptible little twerp" Ocelot II Thursday #35
He has a right to his opinion. redstatebluegirl Thursday #58
"He" meaning Hogg, or Carville? Obviously both have the right to their opinions. Ocelot II Thursday #60
Both of them. redstatebluegirl Thursday #65
He is right about Hogg dsc Thursday #2
Lol. Ok. Hassin Bin Sober Thursday #16
He said the same in a conversation with Al Hunt...... Butterflylady Thursday #32
Why didn't Hogg talk about doing this when he ran for DNC Vice Chair? Jose Garcia Thursday #59
It's obvious. He never would have been elected mcar Thursday #62
Because it would have hurt his chances to be elected as a vice chair probably Meowmee Yesterday #108
Old Man Yells at Cloud! Chasstev365 Thursday #3
Old man yelling "Get the fuck off my lawn!! " Autumn Thursday #4
David Hogg is the foundation of our future.... FarPoint Thursday #5
I absolutely support David Hogg whathehell Thursday #21
No Watchfoxheadexplodes Thursday #76
LOL... dead balls on!! InAbLuEsTaTe Thursday #83
Let me see ILikePie92 Thursday #6
See this.. whathehell Thursday #36
A break ILikePie92 Thursday #38
Geez ILikePie92 Thursday #39
And ILikePie92 Thursday #40
Nah.. whathehell Thursday #45
How about ILikePie92 Thursday #57
Lol...Nice try whathehell Thursday #90
Exactly ILikePie92 Thursday #104
Riiiiiiiiight.. whathehell Thursday #105
Glad you agree ILikePie92 10 hrs ago #125
Exactly ILikePie92 Thursday #99
Plus ILikePie92 Thursday #100
+ 1 red dog 1 13 hrs ago #118
No, Carville said Trump's ratings would collapse or start toin... uponit7771 Thursday #93
Nope, the tape don't lie ILikePie92 Thursday #98
This message was self-deleted by its author red dog 1 13 hrs ago #117
LOL dweller Thursday #7
I no longer have much respect for Cuomo or Carville. OTOH, while Hogg's efforts are ill-timed, they are justified.. CousinIT Thursday #8
+1 InAbLuEsTaTe Thursday #80
8 replies so far GusBob Thursday #9
It is ironic that ageism never gets old... sarisataka Thursday #24
The ageist slurs are flying fast and furious here whathehell Thursday #25
His problem isn't his age, it's that he's out of touch Ocelot II Thursday #37
He was once relevant... been a while though. InAbLuEsTaTe Thursday #85
I agree. whathehell Thursday #96
It's NOT his age. ILikePie92 11 hrs ago #124
Ironically, so was Carville BeyondGeography Thursday #30
And then these people didn't vote for Kamala either. W_HAMILTON Thursday #86
Yesterday Carville was saying SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #10
Exactly. intheflow Thursday #46
Carville has been pushing the party right for 35 years dflprincess Thursday #78
Maybe old men stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's. Fla Dem Thursday #88
Shouldn't it be "MEN" or "PEOPLE" stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's? red dog 1 13 hrs ago #119
Hogg vs Carville Intractable Thursday #11
At least David Hogg is trying to do something. Don't care for Carville or Cuomo TommieMommy Thursday #12
Says the husband of Mary matalin UpInArms Thursday #13
Yes, and she has not, to my knowledge, spoken out like the former Republicans at the Lincoln Project tanyev Thursday #52
We should be challenging incumbent Republicans. Joinfortmill Thursday #14
Yes we should Rebl2 Thursday #34
"Pronoun politics" are dead gulliver Thursday #15
Right...young people have no Bettie Thursday #29
You're wasting valuable time, James Carville. Paladin Thursday #17
Neither Carville or Hogg (or AOC/Bernie) are totally right nor mostly wrong... hlthe2b Thursday #18
Hogg and all other Dems must turn on the Trump regime, not on each other. Just what Trump regime wants. Jit423 Thursday #19
This is a flaw with the Democratic party. hamsterjill Thursday #20
Well, if not Pete Buttigieg, how about AOC? red dog 1 12 hrs ago #120
Possible. Maybe... hamsterjill 8 hrs ago #131
Carville should shut up and go away. milestogo Thursday #22
Someone demands his opinion be respected as he reduces the civil rights of trans people to "pronoun politics". Solly Mack Thursday #23
If I have to choose sides, It's gonna be Hogg. nt Gore1FL Thursday #26
Kindly fuck off with a rusty chainsaw there, Jimbo. Basso8vb Thursday #27
I always found Begala more effective on camera than Carville. sop Thursday #28
Why is Carville still commenting on things? Renew Deal Thursday #33
He is a Democrat, whether I agree with him or not he has a right to say what he thinks. William769 Thursday #41
The party would be better served if he didn't comment. Renew Deal Thursday #55
I agree. William769 Thursday #70
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Thursday #89
Because the corporate media loves him SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #97
I agree. red dog 1 12 hrs ago #121
I'd take 10 David Hoggs over one Cryptkeeper. Nanjeanne Thursday #42
I thought the guy was marginal in the Clinton era. Liberal In Texas Thursday #43
$20 million dollars to pit one Democrat against another. MichMan Thursday #44
I am a senior who agrees with David Hogg HoosierDebbie 10 hrs ago #128
And when equal marriage comes under fire? Gonna bend the knee, Carville? Duncan Grant Thursday #47
Carville should go back to making ice cream. usonian Thursday #48
Carville also said Democrats should sit back & watch Trump self-destruct. pacalo Thursday #49
Well if Carville hates him, that's actually a plus for Hogg imo Arazi Thursday #50
I saw a Carville quote about beating a Republican first, then Nixie Thursday #51
Are people still listening to Mr. "Roll Over and Play Dead"? nt Rob H. Thursday #53
Not I. InAbLuEsTaTe Thursday #84
A lot of ageist rhetoric Mountainguy Thursday #54
The only thing he gets credit for is propping up the status quo Renew Deal Thursday #56
It's not "ageist." Sky Jewels Thursday #63
Sorry, but like some old people Mountainguy Thursday #102
This guy is way past his expiration date and needs to go Bye Bye right now. Sky Jewels Thursday #61
Carville, the same guy who wants Democrats to "Roll Over and Play Dead"? Kid Berwyn Thursday #64
Not good to call him names.. just say how Cha Thursday #66
Yes but most of these posts that are grossly ageist here will not even be called out Meowmee Yesterday #109
Member of the DNC should NOT be taking sides in primaries LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #67
Apparently he did not sign the agreement Meowmee Yesterday #110
If Hogg will not comply with the rules, he should resign LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #112
Agree Meowmee Yesterday #114
Post removed Post removed Thursday #68
So....your idol pays his bills? GP6971 Thursday #69
Alerted canetoad Thursday #71
Hey!!! Spring planting has started!! GP6971 Thursday #72
Lucky you canetoad Thursday #75
OH NO!!!! They're gone!!! I'm shocked!! GP6971 Thursday #74
James Carville? Didn't he used to think hw was a "somebody? Ping Tung Thursday #73
Things are not working out. bucolic_frolic Thursday #77
Says the man who wants to call playing dead while Trump destroys the country a political strategy. Passages Thursday #79
Does anyone listen to Carville anymore?! InAbLuEsTaTe Thursday #81
Some Dems don't want anything to change, this was just a month ago. Passages Thursday #87
Go back to Arkansas choie Thursday #82
Carvikle should know better to error on the side of unity. Hogg's drive isn't going to be effective uponit7771 Thursday #91
Some of them may have been part of the problem in 2016. Not anymore. We're in a VERY different reality. Blasphemer Thursday #92
Carville is right. nt LexVegas Thursday #94
Primary an incumbent and they both lose jcboon Thursday #95
There are one party districts where the Democratic or Republican primary is the real election and the general election Midwestern Democrat Yesterday #111
Carville needs to fuck off like 15 years ago. TheBadWolf Thursday #101
James Carville is a Contemptible Old Twerp. JanMichael Thursday #103
Leave out the "Old" part and I'd agree with you 100%! red dog 1 12 hrs ago #122
True but he isn't a spring chicken. He's 80. JanMichael 10 hrs ago #127
James Carville on Cuomo's show. Says it all. IcyPeas Thursday #106
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Yesterday #107
Carville is one reason we're in this mess alarimer Yesterday #113
I wonder what he thinks of transgender people given his hard line against "pronoun politics" in the Democratic Party. David__77 23 hrs ago #115
I was iffy about Hogg PedroXimenez 20 hrs ago #116
Carville has been wrong a lot as of late, but he isn't wrong here. valleyrogue 12 hrs ago #123
and he needs the chance to do it. Carville IS wrong, FoxNewsSucks 10 hrs ago #126
What "ropes"? ReRe 8 hrs ago #130
I am so sick and tired of James Carville!!! ReRe 9 hrs ago #129
That motherfucker Is a straggly beard away from being the Crypt Keeper. GaYellowDawg 7 hrs ago #132

brush

(59,565 posts)
31. He's got a point on Hogg though. What's the use of primarying a sitting Dem...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:24 AM
Thursday

when if successful, all that does is replace one Dem. Rep. for another without narrowing the rethug's majority in. the House.

Go after vulnerable rethug reps. in purple or blue districts Biden won in '24.

It's not that complicated. Guess the young Mr. Hogg has to learn.

I don't however agree with Carville on AOC or Bernie. They're doing great work of raising awareness of the invertebrate rethugs in the House and Senate and the ineptness of trump 2.0.

Ocelot II

(124,251 posts)
35. Hogg may or may not be wrong, but Carville calling him "a contemptible little twerp"
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:26 AM
Thursday

is waaay out of line.

Ocelot II

(124,251 posts)
60. "He" meaning Hogg, or Carville? Obviously both have the right to their opinions.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:32 PM
Thursday

But Carville's opinion that Hogg is "a contemptible little twerp" says more about Carville than it does about Hogg, and what it says isn't so good. Just because you can say something doesn't necessarily mean that you should.

dsc

(52,867 posts)
2. He is right about Hogg
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:17 AM
Thursday

to the extent that he can either been a Dem Vice Chair or take sides in Dem primaries.

Butterflylady

(4,370 posts)
32. He said the same in a conversation with Al Hunt......
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:24 AM
Thursday

Hogg wants to raise 20 million to primary democrats that he and his group do not really think have progressive views. Carville went to a meeting that Hogg and his group had, listened to them, turned around and very disgusted.

Sorry I can't remember the name of the group.

mcar

(44,457 posts)
62. It's obvious. He never would have been elected
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:33 PM
Thursday

Starting to think we let a fox in the henhouse.

FarPoint

(13,918 posts)
5. David Hogg is the foundation of our future....
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:25 AM
Thursday

Carville needs to go into assisted living and eat his cornbread.... Shut Up!

Apparently he can't let go....but we can ignore him.

whathehell

(30,131 posts)
21. I absolutely support David Hogg
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:55 AM
Thursday

over Carville, but could we stop with the ageist references?

ILikePie92

(60 posts)
6. Let me see
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:27 AM
Thursday

Didn't Carville predict the Trump administration would fall within 30 days?
Yeah, why do we care what this eldely dipshit thinks again?

whathehell

(30,131 posts)
36. See this..
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:27 AM
Thursday

It's absolutely possible to support Hogg and decry Carville without slurring the latter because of his age...We didn't like it when it was done to Joe Biden, so let's show a little class (and consistency) and drop the double standard.

ILikePie92

(60 posts)
38. A break
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:04 PM
Thursday

I didnt slur him because of his age. Stating that someone is elderly is not a slurbut a statement of fact. I slurred him because he's an idiot.

ILikePie92

(60 posts)
39. Geez
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:08 PM
Thursday

Hell, I AM ELDERLY. You're just LOOKING for something to be offended about.
Read and think before accusing someone of slurring.

ILikePie92

(60 posts)
40. And
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:13 PM
Thursday

Since WHEN is being elderly a slur? I'm damn proud to be elderly. Didn't get this way on luck!

If I'd have said he was a tall idiot, would tall be a slur? What if I'd said he was a human dipshit instead? Human is now a slur? Give mea break.
Think about context and use your brain before being offended.

whathehell

(30,131 posts)
45. Nah..
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:37 PM
Thursday

Were that the case, you'd have referred to him as simply "a dipshit", not an "elderly dipshit".

ILikePie92

(60 posts)
57. How about
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:07 PM
Thursday

A tall dipshit? Slur on tallness?

You're wrong, sorry. Only I know what I meant. Simple reading, then thinking would do the trick.
Thinking

whathehell

(30,131 posts)
90. Lol...Nice try
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:22 PM
Thursday

but Age Discrimination is so well recognized, there are laws against it...Tall Discrimination?...Not so much.

uponit7771

(92,730 posts)
93. No, Carville said Trump's ratings would collapse or start toin...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:25 PM
Thursday

... 30 days and they did.

Just getting his statement correct

Response to ILikePie92 (Reply #6)

dweller

(26,399 posts)
7. LOL
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:27 AM
Thursday

Y’all still listening to ol’ goober ?
The last significant thing he had to say echoed from a trash can over his head . . .


✌🏻

CousinIT

(11,241 posts)
8. I no longer have much respect for Cuomo or Carville. OTOH, while Hogg's efforts are ill-timed, they are justified..
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:30 AM
Thursday

....but if not now, when is the "time" to get milquetoast Dems off their asses? Honestly, too many of them are unable/unwilling to fight in this existential battle. Maybe Hogg should go about this differently, quietly but effectively and not announce it. I don't know but I'm sick of Democrats' inability or unwillingness to go on full offense.

whathehell

(30,131 posts)
25. The ageist slurs are flying fast and furious here
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:08 AM
Thursday

despite the fact that a majority of DUers are
either within Carville's age range

whathehell

(30,131 posts)
96. I agree.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:37 PM
Thursday

I also think he has some particular 'quirks' that are specific to his personality, rather than his age.

ILikePie92

(60 posts)
124. It's NOT his age.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:48 PM
11 hrs ago

Carville has been around a LONG time. It's that TIME and the party and the people have passed him by like it does all of us eventually. You have to change with the times.

W_HAMILTON

(8,907 posts)
86. And then these people didn't vote for Kamala either.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:48 PM
Thursday

Maybe our party should stop bending over backwards to appease those who will never be appeased and will always find something to complain about? They are not the Democratic base and they are all too happy to be contrarians and do their "a pox on both your houses!" schtick because that will earn them more social media clout than saying they support Democrats.

Too bad they don't realize that a sizable portion of those social media likes and hearts come from Republicans and Russian trolls amplifying their wedge issues to help propel MAGA fascists into power...

intheflow

(29,520 posts)
46. Exactly.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:55 PM
Thursday

Him and his ilk telling us who have been warning of rising fascism in the Republican party for literal decades to STFU has led to this exact moment in time. Fuck off, Carville. Us progressives have been right all along.

dflprincess

(28,760 posts)
78. Carville has been pushing the party right for 35 years
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:01 PM
Thursday

And still hasn't figured out it was a mistake. He needs to go away.

Fla Dem

(26,509 posts)
88. Maybe old men stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:55 PM
Thursday

red dog 1

(30,662 posts)
119. Shouldn't it be "MEN" or "PEOPLE" stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's?
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 08:57 PM
13 hrs ago

Many "old men" (like Bernie Sanders) ARE "more in tune with the 2020's."

I don't think it has anything to do with their age.

Intractable

(972 posts)
11. Hogg vs Carville
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:39 AM
Thursday

I'm with Hogg.

And I am much closer in demographics to Carville.

I used to think I'd watch more CNN if it didn't have Cuomo as a host. Funny thing, after he got canned from CNN, I wound up watching that channel even less.

tanyev

(46,093 posts)
52. Yes, and she has not, to my knowledge, spoken out like the former Republicans at the Lincoln Project
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:22 PM
Thursday

or Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. Maybe she did and I missed it.

Rebl2

(16,152 posts)
34. Yes we should
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:25 AM
Thursday

but also do nothing democrats as well. Strongly worded letters just don’t quite work these days.

gulliver

(13,412 posts)
15. "Pronoun politics" are dead
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:45 AM
Thursday

Who's ("well-intentioned" but) dumb idea were they? I don't remember getting the email where we liberals got to vote on it. They were a major backlash backfire for the populations supposedly helped by them. I doubt those populations were consulted either.

AOC removed hers from her X bio. Bernie never talks about it. Harris and Walz shoved the whole idea and its related skits to the end of the show and then cut them for time. So, I think Carville is a little late on that one. He's beating a dead horse.

I don't think Hogg should be meddling in primaries. He needs to cool his jets and give himself a few years.

Bettie

(18,162 posts)
29. Right...young people have no
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:22 AM
Thursday

place in the Democratic party.

At what age do young people become old enough to matter? 60? 70? 80?

Paladin

(30,148 posts)
17. You're wasting valuable time, James Carville.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:48 AM
Thursday

You need to be spending every woken moment, fucking off.

hlthe2b

(109,150 posts)
18. Neither Carville or Hogg (or AOC/Bernie) are totally right nor mostly wrong...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:48 AM
Thursday

I really wish they WOULD get on the same page, though... And Carville needs to respect the very effective efforts AOC & Bernie are engaged in now. I like and respect David Hogg, but I, too, am not thrilled with efforts to challenge incumbent Dems--when we so badly need to retake the House & Senate. That one seems poorly considered for most cases.

Jit423

(1,209 posts)
19. Hogg and all other Dems must turn on the Trump regime, not on each other. Just what Trump regime wants.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:51 AM
Thursday

STOP IT!! Speak to and speak for ALL citizens and those who are fighting for freedom and democracy., Speak against the fascists.

hamsterjill

(15,756 posts)
20. This is a flaw with the Democratic party.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:52 AM
Thursday

First of all, any in-fighting needs to be done in private; not on a public platform.

Secondly, there are issues with both of these people. Carville is no longer a credible source. He's become a joke to most people and he doesn't need to be the "face" of the Democratic party by any means.

Hogg is not yet seasoned enough to understand the big picture. I am SO sorry that he (and all of the others) endured the tragedy that occurred. But that alone does not prepare him for having expertise in politics. Give him ten years, and then get back to me.

The Democratic party needs a new "face". Someone strong, yet calm. Someone easy on the eyes. I know that's shallow, but hey, this is America, and it matters. Someone articulate and quick witted and smart. I'm not sure who that is yet, but there's got to be someone.

Pete Buttigieg has the most of these qualities in my opinion. But the bubbas - even the independent bubbas - aren't willing to accept anything that comes from a gay man. That's not my thinking, but it is reality.

We need that person NOW and that person needs to be on every network, every chance. They need to be at every official event where Trump doesn't show. They need to become "THE face". People need to become comfortable with that person, trust that person, and want to hear what that person has to say.

red dog 1

(30,662 posts)
120. Well, if not Pete Buttigieg, how about AOC?
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:12 PM
12 hrs ago

I think she has both the energy and the popularity to "be on every network, every chance" - as well as "at every official event where Shitler doesn't show."

hamsterjill

(15,756 posts)
131. Possible. Maybe...
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 01:11 AM
8 hrs ago

I'm honestly not sure. I think she's vibrant, smart and strong. But there's something about her that to me (personally) just doesn't make the cut.

That sounds horrible, right? But I'm being very honest here.

I'm not sure that I can even explain it. Perhaps it's because I'm old and she's still very young, and I just don't want to accept that it's time to see someone as young as her as a leader. That would be MY loss, and if she bubbles up to the top and becomes "THE" person, I would certainly stand behind her.

She's abrasive in a way that I think the general public would find disconcerting. That may not even be her fault as much as the fact that she's been "Hillary'd" since she came on the scene. But I think there's a large segment of the population that already has a negative feeling about her. Again, I don't know. I could be 100% wrong, and if I were wrong - I'd be fine with admitting that and supporting her.

Solly Mack

(94,787 posts)
23. Someone demands his opinion be respected as he reduces the civil rights of trans people to "pronoun politics".
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:00 AM
Thursday

sop

(13,735 posts)
28. I always found Begala more effective on camera than Carville.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:19 AM
Thursday

Carville needs to head back to the swamps.

Renew Deal

(83,796 posts)
33. Why is Carville still commenting on things?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:25 AM
Thursday

Not only is Carville "part of the problem", he is a wart on the parties nose.

William769

(58,647 posts)
41. He is a Democrat, whether I agree with him or not he has a right to say what he thinks.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:13 PM
Thursday

Apparently he still has enough weight for the media to pick him up. So that's saying something.

SocialDemocrat61

(4,198 posts)
97. Because the corporate media loves him
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:47 PM
Thursday

He’s one of the faces they want to push on the Democratic Party.

MichMan

(14,883 posts)
44. $20 million dollars to pit one Democrat against another.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:34 PM
Thursday

It doesn't seem like a useful use of resources IMO

At a private meeting last month, a “neutrality policy” was circulated asking the party’s top officers to refrain from any activity that would “call into question their impartiality and evenhandedness,” according to two people with knowledge of the pledge, which sought to cover officers “both in their D.N.C. capacity and in their personal capacity.”

Everyone signed it — except Mr. Hogg.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dnc-vice-chair-david-hogg-plans-to-spend-millions-against-democratic-incumbents-admits-this-is-going-to-anger-a-lot-of-people/ar-AA1D3g6j?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=ee4b751c50b94ca1bb8d7dad1f2494b1&ei=18

HoosierDebbie

(414 posts)
128. I am a senior who agrees with David Hogg
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:58 PM
10 hrs ago

Traditional Democratic politics don't work anymore. We Lost! We need reps who will stand up and make noise, not just Traditional, Incumbent Democrats who are quiet and unwilling to be bold.

I prefer Democratic representatives and Senators who are willing to revolutionize the way they communicate campaign and legislate.
If the old guard can't or won't step up and show they are passionate and proactive, then I agree that they should be replaced.
,
It is not that people are old, it is the ideas and methods that are old.

Duncan Grant

(8,693 posts)
47. And when equal marriage comes under fire? Gonna bend the knee, Carville?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:01 PM
Thursday

I’m a progressive gay man; out for 40 years. It’s been my experience that democrats expect a lot of “patience” from some of their constituencies. It doesn’t threaten me one bit that Hogg is looking to expedite a progressive agenda. I look forward to a vigorous debate over the future of this party.

pacalo

(24,745 posts)
49. Carville also said Democrats should sit back & watch Trump self-destruct.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:13 PM
Thursday

Carville needs to go away. As evidenced by the pictures of Sanders'/AOC's rallies, people are hungry for action.

It's a new day, with untraveled roads. Get lost, Carville.

Arazi

(7,714 posts)
50. Well if Carville hates him, that's actually a plus for Hogg imo
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:18 PM
Thursday

Time to shake things up.

New ideas please!

Nixie

(17,598 posts)
51. I saw a Carville quote about beating a Republican first, then
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:21 PM
Thursday

he’ll respect. That seems like the whole nut right there. No one can argue with that, and it explains perfectly his doubts.

Renew Deal

(83,796 posts)
56. The only thing he gets credit for is propping up the status quo
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:50 PM
Thursday

enough to get us into the situation we're in.

Sky Jewels

(9,066 posts)
63. It's not "ageist."
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:37 PM
Thursday

Bernie is out there fighting the good fight and he's 83. We love him. This moron, on the other hand, thinks it's still 1992. That's why we're critical. He sucks, and he's wrong.

Mountainguy

(1,713 posts)
102. Sorry, but like some old people
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 08:44 PM
Thursday

Doesn't make the things said here any less ageist.


"I have a black friend"

Sky Jewels

(9,066 posts)
61. This guy is way past his expiration date and needs to go Bye Bye right now.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:33 PM
Thursday

If I never see or hear James Carville again it will be too soon.

Kid Berwyn

(19,971 posts)
64. Carville, the same guy who wants Democrats to "Roll Over and Play Dead"?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:40 PM
Thursday
https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-carville-says-the-democrats-should-play-dead-to-beat-trump/

A tactical pause, a political retreat, a curl up and hope they don't see us kind of posture -- whatever words one uses, Carville's arrogant and simultaneously cowardly approach is why so many "independents" and "undecideds" have turned from the Democratic "brand." No one follows a coward into combat.

Meowmee

(8,596 posts)
109. Yes but most of these posts that are grossly ageist here will not even be called out
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:43 AM
Yesterday

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,698 posts)
67. Member of the DNC should NOT be taking sides in primaries
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:18 PM
Thursday

I know that county and state parties are generally prohibited from getting involved in primary contests and that all of the members of the DNC other than Mr. Hogg have signed a pledge not to get involved in primaries. If Mr. Hogg wants to do this, he should resign from the DNC



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/15/dnc-leader-democrats-primary/

DNC Chair Ken Martin said in a statement that “Hogg is a passionate advocate and we are grateful for his service to the Democratic Party, whether it be in his role as a DNC Vice Chair or in an outside capacity.”

“In order to ensure we are as effective as possible at electing Democrats to office, it is the DNC’s longstanding position that primary voters — not the national party — determine their Democratic candidates for the general election,” Martin continued.

All DNC officers have been asked to avoid activities in their party or personal capacity that would raise questions about their impartiality, but Hogg was the one DNC leader who did not sign the “neutrality policy.”



I agree with James Carville here

Meowmee

(8,596 posts)
110. Apparently he did not sign the agreement
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:46 AM
Yesterday

So my question is why was he allowed not to? The d party members who supported him to run as a vc, elected him and allowed this are responsible imo.

We now have a d leader attacking d from within in what will amount to damaging primary crap, which could weaken any candidates, which is imo not good.

Imo d leaders need to attack R candidates not D.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

canetoad

(18,913 posts)
75. Lucky you
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:38 PM
Thursday

I'm pulling out and composting the remains of summer. Weather still good though.

bucolic_frolic

(49,812 posts)
77. Things are not working out.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:47 PM
Thursday

Change is inevitable. There is also change that is too abrupt, too comprehensive, too untested. We don't need to change the part of the party that is entrenched and winning elections. We need growth in other areas. Catering to youngsters will have consequences with elders, and I do mean voters. This oil well could come up dry.

Passages

(2,616 posts)
79. Says the man who wants to call playing dead while Trump destroys the country a political strategy.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:05 PM
Thursday

Sounds like a great idea:

Obama oversaw a net loss of 947 state legislative seats, 63 House seats, 11 senators, and 13 governors.

Now, of course, we lost it all, the House, Senate, and White House.


NAFTA was a great policy, too.

Passages

(2,616 posts)
87. Some Dems don't want anything to change, this was just a month ago.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:53 PM
Thursday

James Carville@JamesCarville
Looking forward to it!
Quote
Jake Sherman@JakeSherman
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Mar 10
HOUSE DEMS have their retreat this week in Leesburg, Va.

Among the speakers:
- @danpfeiffer
- JAMES CARVILLE
- LINDA THOMAS GREENFIELD
- @AndyBeshearKY
- @GovWhitmer
- @JoshShapiroPA



uponit7771

(92,730 posts)
91. Carvikle should know better to error on the side of unity. Hogg's drive isn't going to be effective
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:24 PM
Thursday

...seeing our den leadership has over performed

Blasphemer

(3,410 posts)
92. Some of them may have been part of the problem in 2016. Not anymore. We're in a VERY different reality.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:25 PM
Thursday

The Democrats (aside from those mentioned and the others that have stepped up) have looked like weak, insipid, do-nothings in the face of a fascist coup. I typically defend them against attacks from the left because I know that this is fundamentally a center-right country (by design). However, this is not the moment for 90s style triangulation. We're dealing with Nazis here, Mr. Carville. The only answer is resistance.

111. There are one party districts where the Democratic or Republican primary is the real election and the general election
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:54 AM
Yesterday

simply makes it official. I don't agree with the idea that in a district like that someone should be entitled to be a congressman for life - regardless of his performance in office - simply because he won the Democratic primary when the seat became open.

TheBadWolf

(49 posts)
101. Carville needs to fuck off like 15 years ago.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:42 PM
Thursday

He doesn't give a shit about a winning strategy for Democrats, only keeping his name out there to fuel his own ego and keeping the gravy train flowing for DINOs.

JanMichael

(25,565 posts)
127. True but he isn't a spring chicken. He's 80.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:33 PM
10 hrs ago

And he cackles like a voodoo hoodoo dude.

Plus he used "little" in a clever way to mock youth and experience.

But I get your point.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

alarimer

(17,127 posts)
113. Carville is one reason we're in this mess
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 07:26 AM
Yesterday

Democrats usually response to losing is to double down on swinging to the right. Few even try to be bold. Some are doing so and it is energizing people. Meanwhile, others send "strongly worded letters".

There is zero reason a seat in Congress should be a job for life. They need to be challenged every single time.

David__77

(24,016 posts)
115. I wonder what he thinks of transgender people given his hard line against "pronoun politics" in the Democratic Party.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:07 AM
23 hrs ago

valleyrogue

(1,996 posts)
123. Carville has been wrong a lot as of late, but he isn't wrong here.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:53 PM
12 hrs ago

This is shades of AOC on the very first day she was in Congress. Both of them very young and thinking they know everything when in fact they know next to nothing. It is a good way to make enemies, and they really don't want to piss off people who have been in public service a lot longer than they have. They need to learn the ropes.

Hogg is only 25 years old and has a LOT of growing up to do.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,096 posts)
126. and he needs the chance to do it. Carville IS wrong,
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:30 PM
10 hrs ago

as wrong as he was to say Dems should just sit on their hands and let the Orange Anus wreck everything.

Fuck him, continuing to do the same damn thing with the same damn type of elected people DID NOT WORK. It won't work in the future, either. MAGAts hope we'll listen to fools like Carville.

ReRe

(11,550 posts)
130. What "ropes"?
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 01:07 AM
8 hrs ago

The ropes of money/corruption? The lobbyist's ropes? The "Party" ropes? Let me tell you what those young people know: They know what it looks like from the outside looking in. It isn't a pretty picture out here on the streets of America. I'm an oldster, but I am thrilled to have such wonderful young people entering our Party to take the reigns.

ReRe

(11,550 posts)
129. I am so sick and tired of James Carville!!!
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:42 AM
9 hrs ago

How's about us all suing James Carville because he won't shut the fuck up? It just seems to me like some of these old Democrats have a penchant for demonizing young democrats and I've had it with them! The future of our Party lies in their hands. Now let it go! Go home. Go fishing with your grandkids. Do all those things you always wanted to do but never had time to. He never learned the old Ben Franklin adage that goes something like "If you can't say something nice about somebody, then don't say anything at all." Hasn't Trump and his cabal not given him enough to bitch about?

GaYellowDawg

(4,954 posts)
132. That motherfucker Is a straggly beard away from being the Crypt Keeper.
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 02:14 AM
7 hrs ago

He needs to realize his time is over, STFU, and lay back down in the coffin

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