The meeting was on Signal

[edhopper]

Because then there would be no transcript and the conversation wouldn't be archived. But that violated the law



I know, what do they do that doesn't?

[gab13by13]

1. Now Ratcliffe and Gabbards are saying it wasn't classified,

Someone better get a hold of Jeffrey Goldberg's screen shot.

Using Signal violated the Federal Record Keeping Act.

.....but Hillary's emails.

Lock Them Up.

[mr715]

3. This is where it gets good.

Because Jeffrey Goldberg has the goods.

Someone's head will roll. And a few more rookie mistakes like these, and this nightmare may end.

[maxsolomon]

6. I'd like you to be correct, but why will someone's head roll?

Accountability will come from where?

[mr715]

7. Trump

This is eating into his attention, and it is not flattering. It doesn't project competence or power.

You are right that we live in 'who the heck knows' world now, and it is entirely plausible that nothing happens.

However, this particular scandal feels different to me, and I suspect that there will be a fall person. Vance cannot be fired, so I'd wager the NSA director or Tulsi end up taking one of the team. Maybe Hegseth.


Edit - The reason why I (in my limited capacity to understand Trump) think this is different is because all of the other scandals in this administration has been about cruelty and ego. This controversy isn't projecting cruelty or tough-guy-ness. It is projecting simple stupidity and rank incompetence.

[maxsolomon]

9. LOL, OK.

Trump already excused Waltz' F-up adding Goldberg to the chat, and he DGAF about Natl Security. This will blow over when the next Daily Scandal breaks.

[pat_k]

17. Of course, adding Goldberg was the least of their offenses

This discussion from Rick Wilson & Stuart Stevens does a good job of capturing how truly intolerable their breach is.

https://open.substack.com/pub/therickwilson/p/trumps-pentagon-dr-strangelove-meets

[pat_k]

16. Of course, adding Goldberg was the least of their offenses

This discussion from Rick Wilson & Stuart Stevens does a good job of capturing how truly intolerable their breach is.

https://open.substack.com/pub/therickwilson/p/trumps-pentagon-dr-strangelove-meets

[pat_k]

15. Ultimately, We the People.

through our representatives in Congress.

With articles out there they can just refer to the crimes set forth in aggregate and shift straight to the lawful reforms that embrace true American values, ACTUALLY improve our lives, give working class people a Real shot at the American dream, and finally reform our immigration system in ways that Strengthen, not weaken our nation.

Voters must see a tangible way to utterly reject the Un-American, immoral Republican lawlessness through impeachment and removal AND a positive way forward if we expect them to return Congressional power to Democrats by a large enough majority to get things done.

[maxsolomon]

18. Very idealistic.

I don't believe impeachment and conviction are remotely possible.

[pat_k]

20. Certainly not possible with preemptive surrender.

Win or lose, this is work that must be tackled with energy and numbers ON PRINCIPLE.

The only thing guaranteed is that if we don't try, we fail by default.

[dchill]

5. Whenever Tulsi Gabbard is in the mix...

... it's corrupted. I can't believe everybody wouldn't know that. She IS Putin's nominee.

[mr715]

8. Keep her away from those dalmatian puppies

Her and Noem make for a very anti-dog administration.

[LiberalArkie]

11. That is why she is there.

[johnnyplankton]

2. "....but Hillary's emails." Precisely.

Everything they say is bullshit. Up is down. Down is up.

[ShazzieB]

10. Yep, they don't care about laws unless they want to use them against someone else!

[LiberalArkie]

12. Did congress even bring up that Clinton violated the Federal Records Keeping Act? I remember the FBI did, but

I did not watch the congressional jerk off party to know.

The R's may not have even thought that is was wrong to do so as they always hide everything anyway.

[IronLionZion]

4. They don't care about laws or job killing regulations getting in the way of greatness

who's going to hold them accountable?

[pat_k]

13. The entire government is being run "off book"

Why haven't the Democrats in the House drafted articles of impeachment?

Put them out there and shame their Republican colleagues for dereliction of duty. Those in-your-face protests and meetings with Republicans can all be focused on Fulfill Your Oath: Impeach Trump and Vance!

Everyone wants them "Stopped" but I haven't heard a friggin peep from them about the ONLY effective means of stopping them that our constitution provides. Impeachment and removal. Force the to defend the crimes being committed in plain sight. No "wait for the courts" shit.

Why is it the only demands for impeachment are coming from 47 against judges who are fulfilling their oaths!

[markodochartaigh]

14. Al Green HAS filed articles of impeachment.

Call me a cOnSPiRaCy theorist, but I believe that the Republican Speaker of the House is preventing any action on the impeachment. And I know that this sounds cRaZy, but I believe that the Republicans who control the Senate wouldn't vote two-thirds to remove Trump or Vance knowing that it would infuriate their base and that Musk would fund their opponents in the next election with 10x as much money as they can raise.

That's just my take on it, as someone who believes that the wealthy really DO conspire behind closed doors to run things to benefit themselves, and as someone who believes that about one third of the US actually DOES support Trump and that one third won't really care as long as they get their hamberders and sportsball.

http://algreen.house.gov/media/press-releases/impeachment-announced-congressman-al-green-injustice-anywhere-threat-justice

[pat_k]

19. Every Democratic member of the house

... needs to co-sign. And it doesn't matter how many times Johnson blocks. Call on voters to demand that their Republican Reps to do their duty and co-sign.


The articles need to be raised in every conversation: "These are crimes, we've laid them out. On this, Congress is the police force. And Republican refusal to act is worse that a cop turning a blind eye to a gangland murder in plain sight. This gang isn't murdering a single person. They are murdering our fundamental values, our form of government, and are destroying American lives and the American economy in the process