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liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:54 AM Jan 6

Why is Trump scared of getting sentenced?

This is more of a legal question.

Is Trump not officially a convicted felon until the judge sentences him?
Is that why he keeps delaying sentencing for a guilty verdict that happened 6 months ago?


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Why is Trump scared of getting sentenced? (Original Post) liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 OP
He's already a convicted felon; a jury said so. Ocelot II Jan 6 #1
Thanks for the explanation liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 #12
He is not officially a convicted felon until he is sentenced and Quiet Em Jan 6 #2
That's where I get confused liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 #6
Ocelot II summarized it up well in the first response. Quiet Em Jan 6 #9
Can't believe he's able to delay sentencing liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 #10
TSF apparently was born without the shame or embarrassment genes. Heard yesterday allegorical oracle Jan 6 #17
Who knows SCOTUS might agree with him liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 #18
Not so. He was convicted by a jury, and unless and until he appeals successfully, Ocelot II Jan 6 #15
So he has travel restrictions to other countries? liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 #16
I doubt trump is the least bit worried about sentencing. Judge has already said there will be no prison time, fines, Silent Type Jan 6 #3
Djt does not want the 34 guilty of felony charges to stand or be court recorded. magicarpet Jan 6 #4
Why would he be scared? He knows that he will not be held accountable for anything... walkingman Jan 6 #5
Agreed the judge plans to sentence him to nothing liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 #8
He knows the Jusge is going to give him hell and he doesn't want it on the record. Raven Jan 6 #7
Convicted felons have restrictions Alice Kramden Jan 6 #11
Now I get it liberalmediaaddict Jan 6 #14
Because this is the first he's been marginally held accountable in public? haele Jan 6 #13
As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal data base LetMyPeopleVote Jan 12 #19

Ocelot II

(122,112 posts)
1. He's already a convicted felon; a jury said so.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:04 PM
Jan 6

A conviction occurs upon either pleading guilty or receiving a guilty verdict, which has happened. The judgment of conviction occurs when sentence is imposed; it is the entry of a judgment of conviction that begins the defendant’s time to appeal. NY Criminal Procedure Law 1.20(13)-(15). Trump will certainly appeal the conviction, which he has the right to do, but he was convicted when the jury returned the verdict. The reason he's got his undies in such a bunch is that now he has to appear, either virtually or in person, before the judge who was so mean to him and face the legal music - the legal and actual reality of his conviction - even though he won't do prison time (and that was never going to happen), just before his inauguration. It's public and it's embarrassing and it reminds the public that he's a sleazebag who paid off a porn actress and hid the evidence of the payoff.

liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
12. Thanks for the explanation
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:42 PM
Jan 6

Guess Trump's hoping to delay sentencing until January 2029. And in the meantime hoping to get SCOTUS to throw out the case entirely so he can claim he was exonerated.

Amazing he cares so much about avoiding the "convicted felon" label. 77 million Americans didn't give a shit.

Quiet Em

(1,422 posts)
2. He is not officially a convicted felon until he is sentenced and
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:05 PM
Jan 6

exhausts his appeal of the sentence.

liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
6. That's where I get confused
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:18 PM
Jan 6

So even though the jury found him guilty on all counts back in May he's not officially a convicted felon until the judge signs off on the verdict and imposes his sentence?

Which is odd because even a lot of his supporters accept that he's a convicted felon and couldn't care less.
In fact some decided to vote for him after the guilty verdict because they believed he was being targeted by our weaponized "liberal justice system."

Sounds like even Trump knows being a convicted felon who's case is on appeal while serving as President is embarrassing.

Quiet Em

(1,422 posts)
9. Ocelot II summarized it up well in the first response.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:26 PM
Jan 6

But yeah, Trump doesn't want the stain of being a convicted felon on his record. He's very embarrassed and angry over it.

liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
10. Can't believe he's able to delay sentencing
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:35 PM
Jan 6

The judge has already delayed it 7 months and rejected all the defense motions.

Only Trump could get away with avoiding even being sentenced on a unanimous jury verdict.


allegorical oracle

(3,690 posts)
17. TSF apparently was born without the shame or embarrassment genes. Heard yesterday
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:59 PM
Jan 6

that he still maintains that he made part of the porn star payment while he was president -- so it was an official presidential act. Laugh each time I hear it.

"Oh, of course! Every POTUS pays off his Official Presidential Porn Star when he reaches the oval office -- it's an official duty."

liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
18. Who knows SCOTUS might agree with him
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 01:04 PM
Jan 6

The Shady Six might give him presidential immunity and throw out the case entirely.

Ocelot II

(122,112 posts)
15. Not so. He was convicted by a jury, and unless and until he appeals successfully,
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:49 PM
Jan 6

that's what he is, now and forever. He can't appeal until after sentencing, but he's convicted as of now.

liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
16. So he has travel restrictions to other countries?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:57 PM
Jan 6

I assume after January 20th other countries won't restrict him from entering because he's a felon but it would be nice if they had that option.

Silent Type

(7,740 posts)
3. I doubt trump is the least bit worried about sentencing. Judge has already said there will be no prison time, fines,
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:07 PM
Jan 6

sanctions, etc. He's still a convicted felon for all practical purposes, but it didn't matter to enough voters unfortunately.

Just because some podcaster claims trump is screaming about his sentencing according to "sources," odds are he is not.

magicarpet

(17,322 posts)
4. Djt does not want the 34 guilty of felony charges to stand or be court recorded.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:08 PM
Jan 6

That way he can say he was exonerated of all charges and the attempts to convict him were all elaborate exercises in the weaponization of justice.

They were jealous of his never been seen before popularity. Also the perfect way the government functioned during his first term in office, they resent his multitude of pResidential successes.

walkingman

(8,702 posts)
5. Why would he be scared? He knows that he will not be held accountable for anything...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:17 PM
Jan 6

US Congress showed him that, the judicial system showed him that, the American voter showed him that.

Why would he be afraid? Only the common people are afraid of the American justice system. That is the way it was designed.

liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
8. Agreed the judge plans to sentence him to nothing
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:26 PM
Jan 6

An unconditional discharge - no jail time, probation or even a fine.

But the guilty verdict would be signed off on and case closed. So Trump would have to then appeal the verdict to higher courts which could take years to decide. No New York state court is going to overturn it so it would be up to SCOTUS.

I think Trump's only real concern is about the optics of taking the oath of office on the 20th as a convicted felon.
His ego can't handle it.

liberalmediaaddict

(979 posts)
14. Now I get it
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:47 PM
Jan 6

So until he's sentenced he can still do all those things. But once he officially is on the books as a convicted felon the restrictions start. That makes sense.



haele

(13,738 posts)
13. Because this is the first he's been marginally held accountable in public?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:43 PM
Jan 6

His public image is everything to him.
He can handle his "peers" - fellow grifters and criminals dissing or ignoring him as long as he gets his money, but the sheep and marks? The lesser folks? His "enemies" he can crush?
That's too much for him to bear.
He's got to be the Protagonist of the World in public. His Ego demands respect, if not outright worship from his prey.

Haele

LetMyPeopleVote

(156,721 posts)
19. As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal data base
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:19 PM
Jan 12

TFG may be worried about unsolved rapes. This makes me smile



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