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Yavin4

(36,714 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:19 AM Yesterday

The Democratic party should start presidential primary debates in June.

Yes, June. June 2025. Putting on early primary debates wouldn't cost any money to any campaign. It's a great way to introduce candidates to voters. Also, a great way to establish the party away from Trump. The debate should be open to all who want to participate. The party should do polls to limit the number of candidates.

The debates can continue throughout the summer. Do one once a month in a different state. Keep doing this until 2028.

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The Democratic party should start presidential primary debates in June. (Original Post) Yavin4 Yesterday OP
I think that is a great idea. walkingman Yesterday #1
I think it's debateable BoRaGard Yesterday #2
Yes...This!! Ars Longa Yesterday #42
Honestly, (and unbelievably) I think this is not crazy. Trump got wall-to-wall coverage for every damned hlthe2b Yesterday #3
If TFG can spend four years campaigning, so should we... Alice B. Yesterday #4
At least our candidates won't be campaigning to avoid jail Marthe48 Yesterday #16
That depends entirely on the whims of Orange Julius Caesar 0rganism Yesterday #38
So start the infighting before the midterms JI7 Yesterday #5
That DeepWinter Yesterday #6
Were Trump voters burned out from 2021-2024? Yavin4 Yesterday #8
Trump didn't participate in primary debates JI7 Yesterday #9
No, but Dem voters were Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #37
Infighting early on is not a bad thing. Yavin4 Yesterday #7
The media isn't going to promote anything other than put things in a bad light JI7 Yesterday #11
Infighting only feeds the "Dems in disarray!" Narrative Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #36
Democrat-bashing. Establishment vs anti-establishment, evil centrist/moderate vs purity progressive, age wars, betsuni Yesterday #41
Exactly, even the short period where Harris was vetting the VP running mates JI7 20 hrs ago #43
Disagree. it is way too early. We need to win the next race, not fight about the last couple we lost. n/t FSogol Yesterday #10
No. It's not early at all. Yavin4 Yesterday #13
Except in the last 60 days before an election, debates are a terrible communication tool Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #35
Concur w the disagreement. 1. Adjust platform 2. Get great candidates for House/Senate 3. Win House and Senate 2026 dutch777 Yesterday #19
Risk of the public tuning them out this early Scipio Africanus Yesterday #12
Not a fan of that.... BUT..... Happy Hoosier Yesterday #14
Do you actually think that the reichwing corporate media whores will niyad Yesterday #34
What it will do is begin the fundraising process earlier also JI7 Yesterday #15
I don't think it fundraising ever stops Marthe48 Yesterday #18
It's a good idea Marthe48 Yesterday #17
Agree -- campaigning might be the only thing that keeps Dems out of prison 0rganism Yesterday #39
Voters are already fatigued from 2024 Blue_Tires Yesterday #20
I'm still burned out from th '24 election and want nothing to do with politics for a long while, especially fundraising. SheilaAnn Yesterday #21
Might as well Rebl2 Yesterday #22
They definitely should. sop Yesterday #23
People have politics fatigue pinkstarburst Yesterday #24
What evidence do you have that voters are fatigued? Yavin4 Yesterday #25
The fact that millions of Biden 2020 voters stayed home in 2024. Nt Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #33
No. Keep the focus on Trump & Republicans for the midterms Jose Garcia Yesterday #26
It will piss off Republicans. Emile Yesterday #27
I think that is too soon. Quiet Em Yesterday #28
I'm all for trying something different. flvegan Yesterday #29
That is pretty much a horrible idea. Voltaire2 Yesterday #30
Terrible idea. Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #31
Exactly! betsuni Yesterday #40
Virginia Governor Elections and NYC Mayor Elections are This year JI7 Yesterday #32
Too soon ThePartyThatListens 16 hrs ago #44
He needs done the same as he did to Biden Blue Full Moon 14 hrs ago #45
Trump spent four years acting like a president in exile waiting to be rightfully restored to power. sop 7 hrs ago #47
The republicans have never been held accountable. Blue Full Moon 5 hrs ago #49
Too soon. Give everything a chance to go to hell first. It's not going to take long. If Democrats start so soon, Vinca 14 hrs ago #46
Hell to the NO BannonsLiver 6 hrs ago #48

Ars Longa

(28 posts)
42. Yes...This!!
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 03:26 PM
Yesterday

(If we all remember, Trump started right away and was constantly in the media!)

hlthe2b

(107,012 posts)
3. Honestly, (and unbelievably) I think this is not crazy. Trump got wall-to-wall coverage for every damned
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:30 AM
Yesterday

thing he did, said and thought for 4 years. Granted a lot of that was his "criming" and our feeble attempts to hold him accountable, but it meant he was on the minds of Americans for 4 years. Even if a lot of that attention was bad. It didn't' matter.

But, regardless, potential Dem Presidential candidates need to start talking and taking on this administration--objectively destroying them on their attempts to dismantle the social safety net and their lies--while likewise getting name recognition for just that.

Alice B.

(240 posts)
4. If TFG can spend four years campaigning, so should we...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:31 AM
Yesterday

But this requires a unity I’m terrified we’ll never achieve.

0rganism

(24,783 posts)
38. That depends entirely on the whims of Orange Julius Caesar
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:21 PM
Yesterday

If his majesty's bowels act up overnight, maybe it's time for another purge.

The coming years won't be like anything we've seen before. We're about to learn how much we really had to lose.

JI7

(90,975 posts)
5. So start the infighting before the midterms
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:32 AM
Yesterday

how about focusing on the elections that will come up ?

Yavin4

(36,714 posts)
8. Were Trump voters burned out from 2021-2024?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:40 AM
Yesterday

All he did was campaign for four years, and look at the Republicans now. The lesson is that people want to hear from and engage with their elected leaders even in off years.

If the Democrats only talk to voters in the Fall of an election year, don't be mad if they tune you out.

Yavin4

(36,714 posts)
7. Infighting early on is not a bad thing.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:38 AM
Yesterday

One, it helps to promote the party. Two, getting all of the bad blood out of the way early allows time for the wounds to heal. Three, what better way to promote the mid term elections than free media talking about a presidential debate in your state.

JI7

(90,975 posts)
11. The media isn't going to promote anything other than put things in a bad light
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:42 AM
Yesterday

and you are totally ignoring the midterms.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,945 posts)
36. Infighting only feeds the "Dems in disarray!" Narrative
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:12 PM
Yesterday

And gives the media an excuse to write about the Trump administration as competent and disciplined.

betsuni

(27,337 posts)
41. Democrat-bashing. Establishment vs anti-establishment, evil centrist/moderate vs purity progressive, age wars,
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 01:12 PM
Yesterday

digging up and creating fake scandals from the past and insult nicknames, elite elite elite elite, whining about being anointed by the establishment and corrupt rigging and money (OMG a fundraiser in a WINE CAVE??????? *sets hair on fire*). All that crap is old stupid and annoying. But helps get Republicans elected, that's the goal.

JI7

(90,975 posts)
43. Exactly, even the short period where Harris was vetting the VP running mates
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 01:20 AM
20 hrs ago

resulted in negative posts of possible picks. And that decision was only up to her and at a time when we should have been prepared to back whoever she picked.

And then there will be all the fake groups making their demands.

There is no way I want to start on that right now.

FSogol

(46,793 posts)
10. Disagree. it is way too early. We need to win the next race, not fight about the last couple we lost. n/t
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:41 AM
Yesterday

Yavin4

(36,714 posts)
13. No. It's not early at all.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:46 AM
Yesterday

We have a lame duck president of the opposition party. Additionally, the Democrats are out of power entirely. We have nothing else to do other than talk to the American people directly. Presidential debates are one the best political communication methods.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,945 posts)
35. Except in the last 60 days before an election, debates are a terrible communication tool
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:11 PM
Yesterday

Did you watch any of the debates with 10+ candidates on stage?

There’s only time for zingers and gaffes, not substantive exchange of ideas.

dutch777

(3,656 posts)
19. Concur w the disagreement. 1. Adjust platform 2. Get great candidates for House/Senate 3. Win House and Senate 2026
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:57 AM
Yesterday

At best this monthly Dem Prez primary debate would be a stunt ignored by most voters. At worst it could really turn even more people away from Dems due to too much noise. Adjust platform priorities and messaging and have our public facing folks voice that. At all opportunities point out the key Trump promises he is not even addressing with a real plan-- inflation, domestic terrorism, supporting US manufacturing (other than by tariffs), containing bird flu, etc. Look at the most successful 2024 Dem House/Senate candidates that ran in toss up or Trumpist districts but one and find the "secret sauce". Seek out highly viable candidates for 2026 House/Senate runs. Make sure local and state Dem party orgs are staffed and working to a plan that is not just the old boys club BS. Basically, keep and strengthen Dem relevance to the voters.

12. Risk of the public tuning them out this early
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:44 AM
Yesterday

I like the idea of starting dialogue in order to counter what Trump will do. But I suspect some of the stronger candidates won't emerge until after the midterms.

Happy Hoosier

(8,580 posts)
14. Not a fan of that.... BUT.....
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:48 AM
Yesterday

I do think we need a deisgnated "Shadow government" that will be on all the shows criticizing Trump every step of the way. We need a constant narrative how Trump is fucking up. ALL the time.

niyad

(120,922 posts)
34. Do you actually think that the reichwing corporate media whores will
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:10 PM
Yesterday

give Dems the same access and time as the fascists they have been drooling over all these years?

Marthe48

(19,495 posts)
17. It's a good idea
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 10:55 AM
Yesterday

All Dems that will be targeted by traitor and goons should announce their campaigns right now, so that they can't be arrested for crimes, tried, convicted and jailed by the court system because they are active candidates.

Worked like a charm for traitor.

I'm only being a little sarcastic. traitor actually committed crimes, while any Dems arrested will be victims of an out-of-control megalomaniac.



0rganism

(24,783 posts)
39. Agree -- campaigning might be the only thing that keeps Dems out of prison
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:29 PM
Yesterday

We've never lived through the kind of whimsical brutality that's heading our way.

Blue_Tires

(57,103 posts)
20. Voters are already fatigued from 2024
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:00 AM
Yesterday

And the media wouldn't even care unless we had some bullshit celebrity anti-candidates.

Besides, right now the white house doesn't matter anywhere NEAR as much as the midterm elections in 2 years... That's what we need to focus on.

SheilaAnn

(10,236 posts)
21. I'm still burned out from th '24 election and want nothing to do with politics for a long while, especially fundraising.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:01 AM
Yesterday

Rebl2

(15,055 posts)
22. Might as well
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:01 AM
Yesterday

start debates well ahead of election.
Trump is still doing rallies. He’s doing one the day before Inauguration Day.

sop

(11,777 posts)
23. They definitely should.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:09 AM
Yesterday

I would like to see likely Democratic candidate(s) involved in town hall-type forums throughout the country, taking questions from local voters, and, if multiple candidates are participating, having open, informal conversations about issues. I believe voters are tired of formal debates, with candidates at lecterns arguing and talking over one another, moderators posing gotcha questions and the media controling the whole process.

pinkstarburst

(1,560 posts)
24. People have politics fatigue
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:12 AM
Yesterday

But I do think we need to jump into it RIGHT after the midterms.

And as for the debates themselves, I would love to see them format them differently this time. Last time with 20 people in the debates and 10 per night up on stage, it was a zoo. I turned the early debates off after only a few minutes because it was just people shouting over each other with no moderation. You couldn't even hear what was being said. I really disliked that so many people got in just in the first place because it allowed people with no chance like Marianne Williamson and Tulsi Gabbard (we see how that turned out) to get a microphone and would rather they have higher standards to qualify and ALSO rank and divide the candidates and split them by night.

I would like only the top 6 democratic candidates based on polling to debate each other so that stage isn't as crowded. Most likely one of them will be the candidate anyway, and I would rather not have some doesn't have a chance person taking wild soundbite shots at Harris or Buttigieg or Newsom every 30 seconds, or a wild zoo of everyone screaming over each other so no one can hear anything. The rest of the field could be divided up over 2 nights if we have 20.

Yavin4

(36,714 posts)
25. What evidence do you have that voters are fatigued?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:15 AM
Yesterday

Yes, voters are tired of news about Trump, but the debates are about charting a future after Trump. If the Democrats only talk to voters in the month before election day, then don't get mad when they don't show up.

Quiet Em

(1,305 posts)
28. I think that is too soon.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:20 AM
Yesterday

Our society is very ill. We are close to hitting rock bottom. I think we need to let the dust settle for a bit before we can consider how we recover. Leaders will emerge, there is no need to force it.

flvegan

(64,680 posts)
29. I'm all for trying something different.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:20 AM
Yesterday

Obvious reasons being obvious.

If that means starting the political discussions sooner rather than later, then lets do so. Might also be a good way to shine some light on the negative things the Stinky DJT party is doing since the MSM isn't going to bother.

Voltaire2

(14,964 posts)
30. That is pretty much a horrible idea.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:44 AM
Yesterday

The presidential campaign 'season' is already far too long.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,945 posts)
31. Terrible idea.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:06 PM
Yesterday

Nobody would watch, for starters, and I’m guessing no candidates would participate this early, other than Marianne Williamson types who have no chance.

For the next two years, the spotlight should be completely focused on the corruption and incompetence of Trump 2.0, and the suffering it causes.

Then, in fall 2026, Dems can campaign for the midterms with the following slogan:

“HAD ENOUGH?”

JI7

(90,975 posts)
32. Virginia Governor Elections and NYC Mayor Elections are This year
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:06 PM
Yesterday

and a few other important statewide elections.

44. Too soon
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 05:49 AM
16 hrs ago

It's better for the Democrats to be united than n their fight against Trump at this time.

Start there.

Blue Full Moon

(1,374 posts)
45. He needs done the same as he did to Biden
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 07:19 AM
14 hrs ago

File for the presidency. Then every foreign issue that comes up. The candidate calls the foreign leader and derail tRump plan. Russia, North Korea his owners it won't work on. Give press conferences at the same time as his. Need to hold massive rallies all 4 years. Give some hope.

sop

(11,777 posts)
47. Trump spent four years acting like a president in exile waiting to be rightfully restored to power.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 02:24 PM
7 hrs ago

Blue Full Moon

(1,374 posts)
49. The republicans have never been held accountable.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 04:29 PM
5 hrs ago

Interfering with Iranian hostages. Interfering with the withdrawal and treaty with Vietnam. Interfering with the hostages and cease fire with Netanyahu. I am sure there's more.

Vinca

(51,317 posts)
46. Too soon. Give everything a chance to go to hell first. It's not going to take long. If Democrats start so soon,
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 07:40 AM
14 hrs ago

Trump will blame that distraction on his massive failure. It would be good for potential candidates to get their ducks in a row starting now. Make a plan, find staff, etc.

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