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PeaceWave

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There probably isn't an answer to this question, or indirectly, there is an answer to this question, that SWBTATTReg Jan 2025 #1
$3.6 billion Unladen Swallow Jan 2025 #5
The national debt will never get paid down madville Jan 2025 #2
This isn't an answer to your entire question, but everything goes by "Net Worth" which is obviously.... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2025 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 2025 #15
Sure. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2025 #18
The answers to this good question vary widely Mike 03 Jan 2025 #4
Being somewhat NORTH of those numbers I assure you were' NOT "wealthy" WarGamer Jan 2025 #8
Agreed ProfessorGAC Jan 2025 #13
Same Here DET Jan 2025 #17
From a purely monetary perspective anciano Jan 2025 #6
Thought about it extensively... WarGamer Jan 2025 #7
Someone with $100 M is definitely wealthy, IMO Happy Hoosier Jan 2025 #16
Around 10 million Johonny Jan 2025 #19
I am wealthy, ForgedCrank Jan 2025 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author anciano Jan 2025 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 2025 #12
When someone can do pretty much whatever they want and still not touch the principle? haele Jan 2025 #11
I Don't Hate That ProfessorGAC Jan 2025 #14
To quote The Boss: Retrograde Jan 2025 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius Jan 2025 #21
I'll give you an example of what "wealthy" is jmowreader Jan 2025 #22
In my experience, "wealthy" often means having more money than the one using the term. DFW Jan 2025 #23
Living off the interest Greg_In_SF Jan 2025 #24

SWBTATTReg

(25,477 posts)
1. There probably isn't an answer to this question, or indirectly, there is an answer to this question, that
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:10 PM
Jan 2025

you'll never have enough wealth to be wealthy. Hence this is why these so-called persons of wealth keep dialing for yet more dollars, there never is an amount that they'll be happy w/.

Pathetic, isn't it, this chasing after dollars for that elusive 'target', and yet never hit it/make it.

I think some of these people feel that they are only important if they have money to throw into our faces. In my opinion, a lot of them are still pretty big losers.

madville

(7,809 posts)
2. The national debt will never get paid down
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:14 PM
Jan 2025

It’s just something to be managed with inflationary policy, it’s too big to reduce. I doubt it’s even possible to balance the annual budget at this point.

A wealth tax wouldn’t even put a dent in it at this point either, the debt and deficits are just too large. Plus there’s no political will on either side to pass a wealth tax big enough. You’d need to collect an extra 2 trillion a year just to balance the annual budget and not even reduce the national debt a penny.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,814 posts)
3. This isn't an answer to your entire question, but everything goes by "Net Worth" which is obviously....
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:19 PM
Jan 2025

assets minus liabilities equals......

When I was a broker, anyone with over $30 million in "Investable Assets" was considered a "High Net Worth" individual.

As Chris rock said it, there is a huge difference between wealthy and rich. Wealth is handed down from generation to generation.

Rich can be blown in a few months on high end call girls and cocaine.

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A HERETIC I AM

(24,814 posts)
18. Sure.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:34 PM
Jan 2025

The Chris Rock bit I referenced is pretty funny. It's the first few minutes of this clip from his HBO Special "Never Scared" which was released in April of 2004 ;

Mike 03

(18,542 posts)
4. The answers to this good question vary widely
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 06:28 PM
Jan 2025

According to the Charles Schwab Modern Wealth Survey, having a net worth somewhere between $2.2 and $2.8 million constitutes "wealthy" with the different generations defining it slightly differently.

That does include 401K and actual home equity (according to Google Chrome AI)

WarGamer

(17,511 posts)
8. Being somewhat NORTH of those numbers I assure you were' NOT "wealthy"
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:20 PM
Jan 2025

ProfessorGAC

(73,558 posts)
13. Agreed
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:14 PM
Jan 2025

We're in the same place.
We're quite comfortable, but I wouldn't say we're wealthy.
Others may differ, though.

DET

(2,108 posts)
17. Same Here
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:26 PM
Jan 2025

We invested early in housing and aggressively in the stock market when both were going up nicely. A lot of it is luck. But it’s hard to feel wealthy when the average three bed, two bath home around here costs almost a million dollars.

anciano

(1,898 posts)
6. From a purely monetary perspective
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:39 PM
Jan 2025

there is, of course, no set amount that is universally accepted as a benchmark.
But from a philosophical perspective, good health is the most valuable asset one can possess.
"The first wealth is health." Ralph Waldo Emerson

WarGamer

(17,511 posts)
7. Thought about it extensively...
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:19 PM
Jan 2025

For example, $100M isn't enough to own a big yacht, mansions and fly private

I'd say $500M+

Happy Hoosier

(9,002 posts)
16. Someone with $100 M is definitely wealthy, IMO
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:24 PM
Jan 2025

You can’t own a superyacht, but you could definitely own a nice yacht. And maybe you can’t buy a private jet, but you can certainly lease one.

Johonny

(24,130 posts)
19. Around 10 million
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:49 PM
Jan 2025

Is about the number to live upper middle class off your earnings last I looked. Which is what I think most consider wealthy.

Yeah, I think 500 million puts you rare air. Depends on what the poster means, wants.

ForgedCrank

(2,757 posts)
9. I am wealthy,
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:23 PM
Jan 2025

which means I have enough money to pay my bills, and I have an awesome family and incredible friends. That's all I need in order to be wealthy.

Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #9)

Response to anciano (Reply #10)

haele

(14,393 posts)
11. When someone can do pretty much whatever they want and still not touch the principle?
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 09:02 PM
Jan 2025

I don't know if there's really a metric to measure the difference between rich and wealth. Because when discussing finances, they're kind of two different situations. I suppose if you're wealthy, you're in a position to make trusts and pass down the majority of your funds and property into generational wealth, or to maintain a family business or legacy. Much of your money is not immediately available, but you can still live without worrying about the price of things you want to buy or do, or handling emergencies.
Being rich just means you have enough money you can spend on whatever with the minimum of worry about how much much it costs.
There still needs to be a basic monetary value to set as a baseline - say, being a member of the top .05% income or asset level.

My thought is that wealthy person could be someone who is happy living relatively frugally, but, including assets, might only be just be considered in the top .05% to be able to be disbursed to heirs. Or has over half their wealth in a business or some investment that is not very liquid within the financial baseline set up in the premise.

A rich person might be in the top .02% with mostly liquid assets (or easily accessible assets), but could very well be spending their way into eventual bankruptcy by the end of life.

My FIL was rich, but not wealthy. The money in his trust that will come to my spouse and his sister when each turns 65 pretty much is there for each to pay off any lingering bills and pay for a couple vacation trips - or a decade or so in assisted living or a nursing home if needed.

But all of this is just my opinion. The economic study/dictionary definitions of wealthy and rich I've seen are pretty subjective and interchangeable.

Haele

ProfessorGAC

(73,558 posts)
14. I Don't Hate That
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:17 PM
Jan 2025

I think that's a pretty good definition.
Want a Ferrari? Go buy one.
Want a condo in Maui? Go buy it?
We have money but we couldn't do those things.

Retrograde

(11,190 posts)
20. To quote The Boss:
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:59 PM
Jan 2025

"Poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything" - Bruce Springsteen, "Badlands".

For some people, there is never an "enough" - Bezos and Musk seem to be in this group.

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jmowreader

(52,527 posts)
22. I'll give you an example of what "wealthy" is
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 05:16 AM
Jan 2025

You go to the supermarket. You have a list with the food you'll need for a week on it.

You walk into a department and they've got some product that isn't on your list, is pricey and you enjoy eating.

If you can buy that item without having to not get another item on your list, or pay a bill late because you spent the money buying this product, you're wealthy.

Consider Shamsud-Din Jabbar, the guy who committed the New Orleans attack on New Year's Eve. He made a ton of money - well over $100,000 per year - but since he had bills that exceeded his income he was not wealthy.

On the other hand, I can go to the gas station or call the furnace repairman if I need to and not even worry about the bill because I KNOW I've got the money to cover it. Therefore, I am wealthy. And I don't even make a third of what Mr. Jabbar made.

DFW

(58,481 posts)
23. In my experience, "wealthy" often means having more money than the one using the term.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:03 AM
Jan 2025

Since there are a LOT of people with more money than I have, I don't obsess about it. The world has a whole lot more people with less money than I. Most of them couldn't care less. To them, I bow in respect.

Greg_In_SF

(351 posts)
24. Living off the interest
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:38 AM
Jan 2025

...of your interest.

That is wealthy.

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