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surfered

(6,318 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 01:02 PM Jan 2025

The Surgeon General is urging a warning label be placed on alcohol...

…just as Trump is becoming President. Coincidence? Well, my State better legalize marijuana in one quick hurry or, at least, make Xanax available without a prescription. My survival depends on it.

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The Surgeon General is urging a warning label be placed on alcohol... (Original Post) surfered Jan 2025 OP
Pot's not exactly a safe drug. Mosby Jan 2025 #1
Pot is safe enough. Elessar Zappa Jan 2025 #14
That was just on our local news yesterday Meowmee Jan 2025 #2
Forget the alcohol... 3825-87867 Jan 2025 #3
🤣 surfered Jan 2025 #4
😹 Meowmee Jan 2025 #24
The problem with scientific scholars is they must "publish or perish." One day booze is bad, Vinca Jan 2025 #5
Tell me who funded the study, Loryn Jan 2025 #17
I get your point and food studies are extremely difficult to flesh out because there are so many variables. However Quixote1818 Jan 2025 #25
I just can't process alcohol or cannabis well anymore. callous taoboy Jan 2025 #6
Everything gives you cancer Shambala Jan 2025 #7
finally - somebody got around to saying it stopdiggin Jan 2025 #8
Yep, everything in moderation. Shambala Jan 2025 #9
'Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.' JoseBalow Jan 2025 #12
George Carlin... spanone Jan 2025 #13
What A Song! ProfessorGAC Jan 2025 #20
There is already a mandated warning which is placed on liquor bottles. It relates to pregnant women imbibing. John1956PA Jan 2025 #10
two different risk factors (rather self-evidently) stopdiggin Jan 2025 #11
Ingredient and nutrition lable needs to be on booze too nt berniesandersmittens Jan 2025 #15
People have no idea about the number of additives in liquor Mosby Jan 2025 #16
Has To Be Under 1% Total ProfessorGAC Jan 2025 #22
Pretty lame. Not exactly heroic or earth shattering. JanMichael Jan 2025 #18
Cancer sets in usually after a major medical condition Blue Full Moon Jan 2025 #19
Ambivalent ProfessorGAC Jan 2025 #21
I wish alcohol did more for me. Crunchy Frog Jan 2025 #23
Talk about kicking us when we're down chowmama Jan 2025 #26

Mosby

(18,390 posts)
1. Pot's not exactly a safe drug.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 01:04 PM
Jan 2025

Maybe it's better than alcohol, but that's not saying much.

And benzos?

Overdose
Benzodiazepines can cause extreme drowsiness, confusion, respiratory depression, coma, and death. Mixing benzodiazepines with alcohol or other depressants can increase the risk of overdose.

Withdrawal
Withdrawal from benzodiazepines can be severe, long-lasting, and debilitating. It's important to follow your doctor's instructions for stopping benzodiazepines.

Cognitive impairment
Benzodiazepines can impair thinking and memory, and contribute to motor vehicle collisions.

Physical dependence
Benzodiazepines can lead to physical dependence, which is a physiological effect that occurs in all people.
Increased mortality. Benzodiazepines are associated with increased mortality.

Falls and fractures
In older people, benzodiazepines can reduce mobility and increase the risk of falls and fractures.

Pregnancy
Benzodiazepines are not recommended during pregnancy or breastfeeding, as they are associated with pre-term delivery, low birth weight, and potential birth defects.

Other conditions
Benzodiazepines may be dangerous for people with acute asthma, emphysema, sleep apnea, advanced liver or kidney disease, or a history of substance use disorders.

Meowmee

(8,721 posts)
2. That was just on our local news yesterday
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 01:06 PM
Jan 2025

Apparently drinking even one glass per day increases the risk of cancer... I wonder about this because there are so many different factors that are involved in cancer, and many are still not understood.

3825-87867

(1,352 posts)
3. Forget the alcohol...
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 01:11 PM
Jan 2025

we need a warning label glued to the front of RFK jr's head!
Alcohol may cause lots of things but at least for a 'brief shining moment" it can make you forget about RFK jr, Trump, Musk, et al.

Question! How much do we need to stay blissfullly incoherent til 2029?
I may take the chance.

Vinca

(51,942 posts)
5. The problem with scientific scholars is they must "publish or perish." One day booze is bad,
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 01:33 PM
Jan 2025

the next day red wine is good. One day aspirin is bad, the next day it prevents strokes. Coffee good, then coffee bad. I'm nearly 76 and my husband is about to turn 78 and we've always ignored these reports and been mostly healthy along the way. We plan to continue to ignore them. Stressing about it all might kill us.

Quixote1818

(30,938 posts)
25. I get your point and food studies are extremely difficult to flesh out because there are so many variables. However
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 09:40 PM
Jan 2025

this is exactly how science works. It changes over time as they get more data but most importantly you have to look at the totality of evidence and not just individual studies which the media tends to pick up and run with confusing everyone. For example, what they determined with alcohol is that it seemed like people who drank one drink a day were living longer UNTIL they took a closer look at the subjects. Turns out people were living longer because they were mostly wealthy people who would drink one glass of wine each night and they have the best healthcare but as the scientific community started looking at all the evidence they came to a very clear understanding that no amount of alcohol is good for you.

I still drink once or twice a month but no way in hell will I drink even one drink a day. The science is more and more clear that no amount of alcohol is good for you.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2441154-why-many-studies-wrongly-claim-its-healthy-to-drink-a-little-alcohol/#:~:text=Drinking%20even%20small%20amounts%20of,cause%20at%20a%20particular%20age.

This fellow explains how best to look at the contradictory data coming in. Some has a lot more weight than others and blame the media most of all for running with findings in small studies rather than looking at the entire picture.



callous taoboy

(4,702 posts)
6. I just can't process alcohol or cannabis well anymore.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 01:45 PM
Jan 2025

In a very uncharacteristic turn, I quit alcohol last August and some of my health issues have subsided. I still do the occasional gummy, but that is hit or miss whether I end up enjoying it or feeling anxious / depressed.

stopdiggin

(13,613 posts)
8. finally - somebody got around to saying it
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 02:48 PM
Jan 2025

The only way to eliminate any 'risk' of cancer ...
Is to stop breathing. (literally)

Does that mean that I am totally discounting that alcohol has some factor of risk? No. It does not. But so does soda pop, lemonade, hair product, and back yard bar-b-que.

JoseBalow

(7,270 posts)
12. 'Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.'
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:41 PM
Jan 2025

- Ambrose Bierce

spanone

(138,835 posts)
13. George Carlin...
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:46 PM
Jan 2025

Saliva causes cancer, but only when swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time

ProfessorGAC

(72,387 posts)
20. What A Song!
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:00 PM
Jan 2025

A rare instance where Joe shows how great he is on piano.
He's in my Top 5 piano players of the rock era, and most people would say "Joe Who?
That Night & Day album was terrific.

John1956PA

(3,970 posts)
10. There is already a mandated warning which is placed on liquor bottles. It relates to pregnant women imbibing.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:06 PM
Jan 2025

The proposal is to broaden the warning to include all drinkers.

Mosby

(18,390 posts)
16. People have no idea about the number of additives in liquor
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 04:16 PM
Jan 2025

Tequila has 4 CATEGORIES of additives, salts, sugars, vanilla, colorings etc.

ProfessorGAC

(72,387 posts)
22. Has To Be Under 1% Total
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:17 PM
Jan 2025

Additives have to combine to under 1%, otherwise the law requires them to be listed on the label.
Because of the spread of the analytical tests on the finished product, nobody would put in even 0.9%.
For tequila, the predominant additive is oak or mesquite extract to accentuate the flavors from the aging barrels. There's some in there anyway (ethanol is a pretty good extraction solvent), but to get the desired flavor profile, it would have to age more than what Mexican law requires. Extracting those flavors with steam from the same wood as the casks is quite fast & simple.
So yes, there are additives but typically they're alternate sourced natural products. (Sugar syrup is another example.)
Other rules limit ut in other liquors based on what's allowed, for instance, to call scotch, scotch. Or bourbon, bourbon. But, those rules shift pretty dramatically from one spirit type to another. (Scotch can't be called scotch unless the only thing added is caramel coloring.)
We learned a lot of GC/MS technique by running liquor samples. To train new people, we actually had Erlenmeyer flasks of various liquors in the lab. Looked better than liquor bottles at work!

Blue Full Moon

(2,062 posts)
19. Cancer sets in usually after a major medical condition
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 04:28 PM
Jan 2025

The body is programmed to die. Doesn't matter if you eat and drink healthy still going to die. I will say the marijuana is awesome. Relax and no hurting bones. Couldn't try it before I retired. Works so much better than the CBD.

ProfessorGAC

(72,387 posts)
21. Ambivalent
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:05 PM
Jan 2025

I'm seeing the value, somewhat, but I have concerns over government belaboring the obvious.
Also, I'd like to see how they isolated confounding factors, or st least interactive inputs.
There are so many genetic & environmental factors involved in cancer that I'm not envisioning how they isolated the outcomes to a single effect, especially when the population of "drinkers" is so large & diverse.

Crunchy Frog

(27,539 posts)
23. I wish alcohol did more for me.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:01 PM
Jan 2025

If it did I would probably be an alcoholic by now, but would probably feel better overall.

chowmama

(726 posts)
26. Talk about kicking us when we're down
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 11:22 PM
Jan 2025

We're back to Hoover's tariffs, unemployment, no social safety net and a probable actual depression (not a wimpy recession) from all of the above, unless a small percentage of Repub legislators reach down into their pants, feel around, and come up with some testicles. Since they've shown no inclination towards this so far, I figure we're going back almost a century, if not more.

Now we're heading towards Prohibition, too??? Forget it - I'll figure out how to make bathtub gin.

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