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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMusk now takes aim at Nigel Farage
Most of you'll be aware that Musk's been sticking his beak into matters outside America he knows nothing about yet again, recently going apeshit with demands for Keir Starmer and others in the UK Labour government to resign or be unseated, preferably even thrown in jail for supposedly covering up the activities of "Muslim rape gangs" in the UK over the years (in reality, Starmer in his time as Director of Public Prosecutions was instrumental in making sure the issue was addressed more effectively, the shortcomings generally lying at the level of local police and local government - I have plenty of gripes with Starmer, but this isn't one of them).
The UK's insurgent Reform Party (which Musk has heavily hinted he intends financing to the tune of millions of dollars) and its owner/leader Nigel Farage (it's a limited company literally owned by Farage, not a political party in the normal sense of the term) have been whooping it up at these attacks on Labour and burblings of support for Reform.
However, Farage had some problems with Musk's call for long-time con man, liar, major grifter, hooligan, domestic abuser and incorrigible criminal "Tommy Robinson" (alias Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon) to be released from jail where he's languishing for flagrant contempt of court. (Musk's ignorance extends to the fact that Robinson has done nothing to address numerous allegations and cases of sexual abuse and child sexual exploitation among his own raggle-taggle team over the years, but that's no surprise.)
In his quest for electoral acceptability, Farage has been trying to distance himself from Robinson and the activities of the often violent far-right thugs he gathers around him for quite some time, and did so again a couple of days ago when challenged about Musk's call for Robinson's release from prison, saying that he was glad of Musk's support but couldn't be expected to agree with Musk about everything.
Predictably, it seems Musk disagrees:
(That's a screencap, I've checked and the tweet's genuine, but won't post it because the reaction'll no doubt just distract from the issues.)
Since Musk seems to be peppering the intertubes with multiple inane tweets per hour at the moment, seemingly having nothing better to do with his time, we'll have to wait and see whether he pursues an extended vendetta against Farage, or hares after the next squirrel that manages to penetrate his ketamine-addled consciousness instead. Meanwhile, I suspect Farage may hunker down and play possum till the coast's clear.
Dennis Donovan
(28,231 posts)OT: What a fantastic band they are, dazzling in their heyday and still making music now after numerous ups and downs.
Dennis Donovan
(28,231 posts)Emrys
(8,103 posts)Dennis Donovan
(28,231 posts)Thank you for this thread - for the music and the important info in the OP.
LeftInTX
(31,584 posts)And also go over and take care of Hamas!
Bye bye!
highplainsdem
(53,223 posts)and didn't know Musk had posted this till I saw a post about it on Bluesky, came here to post it, and found your posts in two forums.
Musk is really high on his vision of himself as world dictator via tweet. What he just posted about Farage is splitting the Reformed Party.
He's such an idiot. I don't know what drugs he was using last night, but just 20 minutes before posting self-righteously and loftily that Democratic lawmakers "sully" the Capitol, he'd been posting a gross exchange he was having with his Grok AI about merkins, an exchange inspired by his juvenile reaction to a photo of Starmer in a barrister wig.
GoCubsGo
(33,327 posts)The same goes for Trump and the rest of their toadies. All of their power grabs are resulting in more and more infighting. It's just a matter of time before it all collapses in on them. Hopefully, it will all implode before they do too much damage to the rest of us.
Emrys
(8,103 posts)I hope this is just the start of more coverage of splits - which are a long time coming - among Reform, which has been coasting along, with complacent media coverage, on the unbelievably flatfooted and politically inept start to Labour's term in office and the abject and well-deserved decline in the Tories' fortunes.
The whole thing is grimly laughable, but the threat of Musk's funding boosting Reform is only tempered by the fact that Reform is a hapless loose collection of dysfunctional electoral rejects who have a proven track record of fucking up big time. If I've learned anything from observing UK fringe politics and using the past as a guide, throwing lashings of cash at them would only hasten that process and make it more spectacular.
Optimistically, despite current polling which shows Reform as a potentially significant force, the trajectory in UK politics has been that the more electoral success far-right parties like UKIP and reform and their fellow travellers have enjoyed, the quicker they've dissolved into chaos and infighting. They can still do serious harm (as in Brexit and last year's race riots, which Farage tried desperately to distance himself from), but the cherry of ultimate power has eluded them so far.
One thing about Twitter is that access to it if you're on a posting kick is so instantaneous that it can give uncanny insights into the tweeter's state of mind. I don't know whether Musk's ever been diagnosed as manic among his other evident disorders, but from a lay perspective, that's what it looks like.
If I was a shareholder in any of his companies, I'd be concerned (as well as questioning my past lack of sound judgement).
The merkin thing hadn't crossed my radar yet, but I'll rely on the sometimes colorfully savage wit among the remaining sane UK Twitterati to treat it with with the gravitas it deserves and drag Musk mercilessly and at length about it once again.
JI7
(91,117 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,666 posts)Perfect
Johnny2X2X
(22,029 posts)Musks main drive is that he thinks working people dont work hard enough because they have too much. He believes humanity cant achieve great things if people are able to take time off, have financial security, and eventually retire. He believes that all working people should work 12 hour days 7 days a week until they drop dead.
Thats why hes hitched himself to the far right, they too want to take away fro working people to give to the rich.
Emrys
(8,103 posts)To set the scene, this was Musk revving up to his anti Starmer tweet blitz vendetta a couple of days ago:
The focus shifted after that, and Farage with Musk was a trending topic on Twitter yesterday and overnight after Musk's call for Farage to be unseated. Pitched battles between Farage loyalists and Musk fanciers who also fancied Tommy Robinson raged all night, the main upshot being that a number saw multimillionaire Reform MP Rupert Lowe, relatively Robinson-agnostic if not Robinson-friendly, emerge as a favourite to take over from Farage should a vacancy arise.
It also emerged that Farage wasn't sufficiently rabidly anti-Muslim for a number of tweeters' tastes after he made the outrageous claim that deporting every Muslim in the UK might be going a bit far, as well as stretching various resources.
Meanwhile, Farage appeared to enjoy a light but invigorating fluffing on BBC 1 television's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg political magazine show. One of his claims was that people were angry (and none more so than Elon Musk, apparently, who knew nothing about the issue at all until a couple of days ago and is now a World Expert on it and the entirety of UK politics) that there's been no full public inquiry into the rape gang cases and allegations.
Kuenssberg didn't bother to point out (or quite possibly didn't know) that precisely such an inquiry had reported its findings in 2022 under the previous government. Oh well.
After having otherwise lain low, Farage did finally address Musk's outburst on Twitter:
Raheem Kassam, a former editor-in-chief of Breitbart UK and former chief adviser to Farage, was a bit more succinct:
Now here's Nazir Afzal, whose term of office as Chief Crown Prosecutor for North West England overlapped with Starmer's term as Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service. Afzal, working closely with Starmer, focused on violence against women and sexual exploitation of children during his time in office. He tackled shortcomings in the handling of grooming rings and the reticence of the authorities to address such issues among the Asian community for fear of accusations of racism, kicking off by overturning a previous decision not to pursue investigations into the Rochdale child sex abuse ring. He also correctly emphasized that the great majority of paedophiles in the uK are white. His efforts against grooming gangs earned him criticism among the Asian community and, ironically in view of the current fuss, calls by the far right for him to be dismissed and deported, which led to his requiring police protection (he was born in Birmingham, so they wouldn't have had to deport him far):
@nazirafzal
Some commenting on child sexual abuse following some intervention from the USA
They might want to consider that Starmer left office with the highest number of convictions for child sexual abuse since records began
100s more abusers brought to justice
1000s more victims heard
It's perhaps not a coincidence, or perhaps sheer gleeful opportunism, that Alexander Dugin, "Putin's brain" and a prime mover in his war on Ukraine, tweeted yesterday:
He spoilt it a bit by overshooting somewhat in another tweet:
And as I type, Starmer has just held a press conference to address the misinformation about his conduct as Director of Public Prosecutions - it seems in general terms (Tory leader Kemi Badenoch has been feverishly stirring the pot, among many others) rather than directly addressing Musk. I'm sure we'll here more about that during the course of today. What I've heard has echoed Afzal's account above, along with an accusation that Robinson's extra-legal conduct almost led to the collapse of at least one child sexual abuse case, which I seem to recall was reported at the time.
Once this has all blown over (if it ever does), Starmer may want to have a word with his newly appointed Ambassador to the US Peter Mandelson, who last week was looking forward to tapping into Farage's alleged inside track to Trump to smooth the UK's way through the new presidency.
And final word, for now at least, to Larry the Cat: