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speak easy

(11,408 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:18 PM Jan 2025

Musk: "We're going straight to Mars. The Moon is a distraction."

Elon Musk: “We’re going straight to Mars. The Moon is a distraction.”

The speculation is that NASA will dump Boeing and Lockheed Martin. Bezos' Blue Origin will 'take' the Moon, and Musk will have Mars. What does it feel like living in a Tech-Bro-Bannana Republic? A place with something like speculation like this.

During the last 10 days, Musk has begun airing [some criticisms on NASA's Artemis Moon program] publicly. On Christmas Day, for example, Musk wrote on X, "The Artemis architecture is extremely inefficient, as it is a jobs-maximizing program, not a results-maximizing program. Something entirely new is needed."

Then, on Thursday evening, he added this: "No, we’re going straight to Mars. The Moon is a distraction.

It would be one thing if Musk was just expressing his opinion as a private citizen. But since playing a significant part in the election of Donald Trump as the next president of the United States last year, Musk has assumed an important advisory role for the incoming administration. He was also partly responsible for the expected nomination of [crony] Jared Isaacman to become the next administrator of NASA. Although Musk is not directing US space policy, he certainly has a meaningful say in what happens.

"I was born after the Moon landings; my children were born after the final space shuttle launch," [Isaacman posted on X] "With the support of President Trump, I can promise you this: We will never again lose our ability to journey to the stars and never settle for second place. We will inspire children, yours and mine, to look up and dream of what is possible. Americans will walk on the Moon and Mars and in doing so, we will make life better here on Earth."

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/01/elon-musk-were-going-straight-to-mars-the-moon-is-a-distraction/

Blue Original already has a NASA contract for a Lunar Lander. The speculation is Bezo will be given a contract for the rocket as well. Queue the Washington Post critique.

Elon, may I respectfully suggest that you go plant a South African flag on the surface of the Sun.
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Musk: "We're going straight to Mars. The Moon is a distraction." (Original Post) speak easy Jan 2025 OP
Enshittification Comes to Space Celerity Jan 2025 #1
Yep! FalloutShelter Jan 2025 #3
He'll send others to die for his project while he reaps the credits. TheBlackAdder Jan 2025 #47
Carnival barker makes outrageous claims sakabatou Jan 2025 #2
all I want to hear from Musk speak easy Jan 2025 #5
It's a suicide mission with current levels of tech at our disposal NickB79 Jan 2025 #4
We do not currently have the technology* to shield the astronauts from cosmic radiation on such ... Botany Jan 2025 #24
+1 for Bobcat Brains Auggie Jan 2025 #27
I was there @ that time. Botany Jan 2025 #30
We're all just glad to see that the healing has begun. Xavier Breath Jan 2025 #33
No worries. I was probably drunk. Auggie Jan 2025 #58
Musk wants tech people to create patented material on Mars to sell back to Earth! GreenWave Jan 2025 #32
Please proceed, Elon, and don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. Borogove Jan 2025 #6
Mars is a boondoggle. The moon is our natural jumping-off point for space exploration 0rganism Jan 2025 #7
Your last sentence... CrispyQ Jan 2025 #17
yeah... 0rganism Jan 2025 #19
i was hoping for "star trek' rampartd Jan 2025 #46
He's Lying ._. Jan 2025 #8
"Musk knows this" speak easy Jan 2025 #9
I don't know who I'm more sick of. This ass or the ass he bought and paid for. Autumn Jan 2025 #10
We are on Mars already Johonny Jan 2025 #11
Please be Rebl2 Jan 2025 #12
Whatever Prairie Gates Jan 2025 #13
LOL Blue Origin is only capable of suborbital flights spapeggy Jan 2025 #14
Blue Origin is expected to launch its 1st New Glenn rocket next week speak easy Jan 2025 #37
He's gonna get more people killed... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #15
call it space or interplanetary space lapfog_1 Jan 2025 #26
Yeah, I missed on that one... Wounded Bear Jan 2025 #40
How about going straight to Hell? PCIntern Jan 2025 #16
Co-signed Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #39
Please take Donnie with you (tho' he may complain about the Bone SpurI). Melania can be stewardess. Ping Tung Jan 2025 #18
Fuck Mars. Go to Uranus dalton99a Jan 2025 #20
Trump's head is already up the planet... 3catwoman3 Jan 2025 #54
It's all a way to fleece the US taxpayer. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #21
If he thinks this is remotely possible in his lifetime he's nuts and/or colossally stupid. -nt CrispyQ Jan 2025 #22
Musk can't get a ride home Metaphorical Jan 2025 #23
Exactly... Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #43
nothing is stopping him from going to mars all on his own lapfog_1 Jan 2025 #25
Even Melon Husk is smart enough to know Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #59
Note that fascist oligarch Musk has not taken a ride into space on his actually pretty good rockets. Voltaire2 Jan 2025 #28
I want Musk to be on the first flight to Mars. MineralMan Jan 2025 #29
Some would call him an egomaniacal nutcase Keepthesoulalive Jan 2025 #31
Well, when you get there, please don't come back. Polly Hennessey Jan 2025 #34
Hopefully on your own effing dime ecstatic Jan 2025 #35
I'm old enough to remember when Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #36
Meanwhile - our astronauts are still on the space shuttle. legallyblondeNYC Jan 2025 #38
Station not shuttle. Voltaire2 Jan 2025 #55
Oh yes - station. Thanks! legallyblondeNYC Jan 2025 #60
No we're not. We are NEVER going to Mars * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #41
I am all in favor of "job maximizing" programs. Midnight Writer Jan 2025 #42
Brings out my worst memories of Ralph Kramden on The Honeymooners... allegorical oracle Jan 2025 #44
To the moon, Elon, to the moon! speak easy Jan 2025 #45
I would think the "Rare 'on' earth minerals" Prairie_Seagull Jan 2025 #48
We are already on Mars edhopper Jan 2025 #49
Dumbass ismnotwasm Jan 2025 #50
After the astronauts get back to earth from being on the Space Station applegrove Jan 2025 #51
That's actually an interesting point. Voltaire2 Jan 2025 #56
Musk can get on the first flight and head out. Bluethroughu Jan 2025 #52
Wait a second you drug addled, illegal alien Aviation Pro Jan 2025 #53
He can leave tonight videohead5 Jan 2025 #57

TheBlackAdder

(29,474 posts)
47. He'll send others to die for his project while he reaps the credits.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:31 PM
Jan 2025

Trump and Musk both reminds me of the opening of this song.

Fifty thousand men were sent to do the will of one,
His claim was phrased quite simply,
Though he never voiced it loud
I am he, the chosen one.

In his name they could slaughter,
For his name they could die.
Though many there were believed in him,
Still more were sure he lied
But they'll fight the battle on.




A song that pretty much means that there will always be a charlatan, and when one goes another replaces.

sakabatou

(44,624 posts)
2. Carnival barker makes outrageous claims
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:27 PM
Jan 2025

People cheer, not caring for the announcer making realistic claims.

speak easy

(11,408 posts)
5. all I want to hear from Musk
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:31 PM
Jan 2025

is. "I'm going straight to Mars." Eat your own dogfood Elon.

NickB79

(19,870 posts)
4. It's a suicide mission with current levels of tech at our disposal
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:29 PM
Jan 2025

But I encourage Musk to be first in line to step on the Red Planet.

Botany

(73,929 posts)
24. We do not currently have the technology* to shield the astronauts from cosmic radiation on such ...
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:37 PM
Jan 2025

… that long of a flight or on the surface of Mars but if Musk wants to go I’m all 4 it.

* at least that is my understanding of “that stuff.” And I do have a 2.3 from
Ohio University which is the same as a PhD from M.I.T. and 3 Nobel Prizes.







Botany

(73,929 posts)
30. I was there @ that time.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:03 PM
Jan 2025

I am sorry if I did anything to you or your friends because I was really high @ the time.

0rganism

(25,011 posts)
7. Mars is a boondoggle. The moon is our natural jumping-off point for space exploration
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:41 PM
Jan 2025

It's like nature hands us a built-in space station full of ice and hydrogen isotopes perfect for fusion reactors with a low-gravity environment ideal for superscale construction of colonies and craft, less than a light minute from home.

Musk wants humanity to ditch all that for a risky shot at a barren wasteland of a planet beset by dust storms with little in the way of observed resources, no planetary magnetic field, and at least one moon with a sharply-decaying orbit, far enough away from Earth that any colony operates entirely on its own, with near-zero hope of extraction if anything goes wrong. Stupid and Expensive, rolled into one big government contract for Musk. Maybe he's fixated on mining the asteroid belt or some such. He's now positioned to singlehandedly and permanently ruin the USA's chances at a strong space program with a thriving off-world colony.

We are on the verge of losing everything.

rampartd

(1,832 posts)
46. i was hoping for "star trek'
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:25 PM
Jan 2025

this ricardo montalban wanna be and his harry mudd sidekick give us soylent green

._.

(1,372 posts)
8. He's Lying
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:41 PM
Jan 2025

The Moon is a known quantity, and that quantity is military as well as commercial. Military bases and mining for Helium III.
Musk knows this.

speak easy

(11,408 posts)
9. "Musk knows this"
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:46 PM
Jan 2025

but does not want to carry the can on the first mission(s) that may go pear shaped. Astronauts stranded on the Moon? Bezos/NASA take the blame.

Johonny

(23,425 posts)
11. We are on Mars already
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:50 PM
Jan 2025

Our rovers and satellites are doing science while he plays make believe world builder.

Rebl2

(16,183 posts)
12. Please be
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:53 PM
Jan 2025

on the first rocket to mars musty musk. Oh, and take the orange one and his family with you.

speak easy

(11,408 posts)
37. Blue Origin is expected to launch its 1st New Glenn rocket next week
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:40 PM
Jan 2025


New Glenn is a heavy-lift vehicle that, like SpaceX's Falcon and Starship rockets, is designed to be reusable, with its first stage returning to Earth for an ocean platform landing. Each New Glenn booster should be capable of up to 25 flights, Blue Origin has said.

https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/blue-origin-ready-to-launch-1st-new-glenn-rocket

Wounded Bear

(61,774 posts)
15. He's gonna get more people killed...
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:13 PM
Jan 2025

So far, we haven't had any fatalities in space. The lives we have lost have either been at launch or on re-entry. Musk is going to lose people in interstellar space.

lapfog_1

(30,820 posts)
26. call it space or interplanetary space
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 03:35 PM
Jan 2025

interstellar is a *lot* farther away. By some estimates even Voyager won't enter interstellar space for 100s of more years ( needs to cross the Ort belt ).

Ping Tung

(2,189 posts)
18. Please take Donnie with you (tho' he may complain about the Bone SpurI). Melania can be stewardess.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:22 PM
Jan 2025

Irish_Dem

(68,614 posts)
21. It's all a way to fleece the US taxpayer.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:29 PM
Jan 2025

Musk knows exactly what he is doing and how to play the game.

At the same time he can damage the US budget and degrade the US economy.

CrispyQ

(39,513 posts)
22. If he thinks this is remotely possible in his lifetime he's nuts and/or colossally stupid. -nt
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:31 PM
Jan 2025

Metaphorical

(2,399 posts)
23. Musk can't get a ride home
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:32 PM
Jan 2025

I have long suspected that Musk was a stranded Martian who has been trying desperately to raise the technology of the planet to a point where he can finally get back home. That's all he actually cares about, and the stupid humans keep thwarting him at every turn.

I agree with other commentators here. Colonizing the moon makes a great deal of sense at this point - it's achievable, there are enough volatiles to reduce the need to cart expensive materials up Earth's gravity well, it has low gravity making it ideal as a staging platform for solar missions, and it is a natural sling shot, adding it's momentum to that of the Earth. It may have the advantage of having lava tubes close to the surface, which can significantly reduce the need to dig. Solar radiation is a big problem on the Lunar surface, and environmental containment becomes much easier in tunnels.

Mars is problematic - you need to be able to create two completely self-contained environments (ship and planet) for anywhere from 3 to 10 years. You have to deal with highly corrosive winds and dust, water is always going to be a problem, the atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide and there's almost no nitrogen in the atmosphere or phosphorus in the soil, meaning that before you could do farming you'd need an absolutely massive amount of ammonia (and this is not even taking into account the fact that Mars only receives about 45% as much sunlight as Earth.

Mars is a long term (centuries if not millennia) project, and would STILL require that Earth have a moonbase to be able to even attempt.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
43. Exactly...
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:59 PM
Jan 2025

A one-way trip is simple enough, but going to Mars, landing, taking off again and landing on Earth in the same reusable spacecraft with enough payload to sustain life and the materials needed to build his utopian colony for genetically superior white folks is pure fantasy daydreaming

lapfog_1

(30,820 posts)
25. nothing is stopping him from going to mars all on his own
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 03:33 PM
Jan 2025

NASA's budget is only $25 B a year right now... and that covers both Space and Aeronautics and things like climate change studies, supercomputers, grants to colleges and universities for research, etc.

Eloon can spend $25B of his own money and fund a 5 year mission to Mars without taxpayer money. He might not even notice the drop in his net worth.

In fact, I think he should be on the first rocket to Mars.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
59. Even Melon Husk is smart enough to know
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 12:18 AM
Jan 2025

If he's serious about doing this and doing it in a halfway proper manner, the associated costs can break even him... He needs NASA resources and expertise.

Also, when Elmer inevitably loses astronauts in space in his rush to establish his Martian Empire like in "The Expanse" he'll need a convenient scapegoat to blame, like NASA.

Voltaire2

(15,367 posts)
28. Note that fascist oligarch Musk has not taken a ride into space on his actually pretty good rockets.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 03:43 PM
Jan 2025

So he is, as usual, just bullshitting everyone.

Also, one of the points of a permanent moon base is to drastically reduce the cost of interplanetary flight by staging those flights from the low gravity moon, and eventually creating the tech to produce spacecraft on the moon using resources from the moon. That plan actually makes sense. It is why both the US and China have prioritized permanent moon bases.

My guess is that shithead's interference will guarantee that China gains a strategic advantage with their lunar efforts. Their tech is already excellent, and their oligarchs are subservient to the state, unlike ours.

MineralMan

(148,919 posts)
29. I want Musk to be on the first flight to Mars.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 03:43 PM
Jan 2025

Let him stay there.

Or, better. (post-credit scene from "Don't Look Up":

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Keepthesoulalive

(1,183 posts)
31. Some would call him an egomaniacal nutcase
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:05 PM
Jan 2025

I’m sure there are more professional terms for his malady. I will simplify and call him a privileged dumbass .

ecstatic

(34,749 posts)
35. Hopefully on your own effing dime
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:23 PM
Jan 2025

Not with taxpayers' funds handed to you on a silver platter from trump.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
36. I'm old enough to remember when
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:40 PM
Jan 2025

The "official" go-to authorities on the space program were actual scientists with 'Ph.D' after their name instead of billionaires dropping loud and ultimately meaningless hot takes on social media...

Melon Husk has been talking out his ass for 6+ years that he's only 2 years away from unmanned flights to Mars and 4 years away from manned trips when multiple industry experts say he's still a decade at least from reliable unmanned flights... He's just so fucking desperate to establish his own little pure libertarian paradise on Mars and be worshipped like a god like he's some James Bond villain. My consolation is knowing it almost certainly won't happen in his lifetime unless he lives another 30+ years.

legallyblondeNYC

(91 posts)
38. Meanwhile - our astronauts are still on the space shuttle.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jan 2025

Any update on the plan to get those Americans home?

Voltaire2

(15,367 posts)
55. Station not shuttle.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 07:08 PM
Jan 2025

And yes there is a plan, not only a plan but a schedule. It is really expensive to travel there, and there is no emergency. So on schedule a vehicle will arrive and they will go home.

Oopsie Daisy

(5,618 posts)
41. No we're not. We are NEVER going to Mars *
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:48 PM
Jan 2025

* ever. What a waste of money and lives. Robotics can do more for less, for longer, and safer.

Midnight Writer

(23,746 posts)
42. I am all in favor of "job maximizing" programs.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jan 2025

If we can spend billions subsidizing billionaires like Musk, subsidizing oil companies and pharma companies, subsidizing defense contractors, subsidizing corporate farms, then why shouldn't we provide decent jobs for scientists and engineers?

I'd love to see a massive expansion of government jobs. Subsidize internships, apprenticeships, entry level jobs, and rehabilitative jobs for those that need them. I believe a lot of our problems, such as poverty, crime, homelessness, and drug addiction, are the result of folks who have no decent jobs, no prospects, no marketable skills, no hope for the future.

We provided jobs during the Great Depression to keep America moving, and it was a magnificent success. Why do we not do this now?

An economy built from the bottom up serves ALL the people, not just the oligarchs. The oligarchs are doing fine. They don't need subsidies. It is the poor and working class that is in crisis and need attention.

allegorical oracle

(4,692 posts)
44. Brings out my worst memories of Ralph Kramden on The Honeymooners...
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:09 PM
Jan 2025

"You're a real riot, Leon, a real riot!"
Hardy Har Har.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,099 posts)
48. I would think the "Rare 'on' earth minerals"
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:41 PM
Jan 2025

would be enough to motivate more moon exploration first.

edhopper

(35,813 posts)
49. We are already on Mars
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:50 PM
Jan 2025

with our robot explorers. We can do more for so much less by expanding that program.

And Musk promised self driving cars by 2020, how is that working out.

applegrove

(125,763 posts)
51. After the astronauts get back to earth from being on the Space Station
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 05:58 PM
Jan 2025

for a few months, they can't walk. So good luck with Mars.

Voltaire2

(15,367 posts)
56. That's actually an interesting point.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 07:13 PM
Jan 2025

The trip using known technology is around 17 months.

Aviation Pro

(14,227 posts)
53. Wait a second you drug addled, illegal alien
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 06:09 PM
Jan 2025

You think Helium 3 is a distraction? Oh, that's right, you don't know fuck all about science.

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