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The privatized version of Medicare doesnt just provide worse care than traditional Medicareit also rips off American taxpayers with fraudulent claims. And Trump wants to double down on it.
https://newrepublic.com/article/189804/privatizing-medicare-advantage-scam-claims-fraudulent
https://archive.ph/WN7WC
A health care advocate at a Democratic news conference in 2023 about Medicare Advantage coverage denials and fraudulent overpayments
Donald Trump promises he will not cut one penny of Medicare, but like most elected Republicans hes a strong proponent of Medicare privatization. During his first administration, Trump issued an executive order that said Medicare Advantage, the privatized version of Medicare, delivers efficient and value-based care through choice and private competition. Mehmet Oz, the TV doctor Trump nominated to run the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, disparages traditional Medicare and has called for massive expansion of Medicare Advantage. By remarkable coincidence, as of 2022 Oz owned a reported stake of $550,000 in UnitedHealth, Medicare Advantages largest participant. There are many things the private sector does better than the federal government, among them enriching shareholders like Oz. But the private sector does not provide health care more efficiently than the public sector. Thats been demonstrated over and over, yet nobody wants to believe it. A report published Wednesday by The Wall Street Journal summarizing a years worth of its investigations indicates that where Medicare Advantage really excels is in the filing of fraudulent claims.
Congress created Medicare Advantage in 1997 to demonstrate for good and all, damn it, that the market economy could be more cost-effective at delivering doctor and hospital care. The privatization program succeeded in winning over the public: 54 percent of the Medicare-eligible population chooses Medicare Advantage. Medicare Advantage looks to people over 65 like a better deal because it covers things traditional Medicare doesnt, such as visits to the dentist or the eye doctor. Some plans even cover acupuncture! But if you get seriously ill and need to be referred to a specialist, Medicare Advantage isnt so great. An April 2022 study by the Health and Human Services Departments inspector general found that 13 percent of the referrals denied under Medicare Advantage would have been approved under traditional Medicare. Medicare Advantage also shows that health care privatization is a lousy deal for taxpayers. Medicare Advantage costs the federal government 7 percent more per enrollee than traditional Medicare, according to an August 2024 study by the fiscally conservative Peter G. Peterson Foundation. For enrollees with similar health profiles, Medicare Advantage costs 22 percent more, according to the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission.
Perhaps thats because, as the Journals investigations found, Medicare Advantage insurers routinely pad their government reimbursement requests with spurious diagnoses. For example, an astounding 66,000 Medicare Advantage patients were diagnosed with diabetic cataracts even after these patients had surgery to correct them, making that diagnosis, in the Journals words, anatomically impossible. In other instances, patients whom Medicare Advantage insurers reported as HIV positive received none of the recommended treatments. If a doctor failed to furnish a desired diagnosis, insurers dispatched a nurse to the patients home to find one. Medicare Advantage insurers also conned veterans into enrolling in the program even though they were already covered adequately by the Veterans Administration health system, which has repeatedly been demonstrated to be superior to private hospital care (something else the public is reluctant to believe).
UnitedHealth, the parent company of United Healthcare, whose chief executive, Brian Thompson, was assassinated last month, is, according to the Journal, a particular offender, furnishing doctors with checklists of possible diagnoses. Looking at Medicare data between 2019 and 2022, the Journal found that patients who moved from traditional Medicare to UnitedHealths Medicare Advantage plans got 55 percent sicker, on paper during their first year in Medicare Advantage. (UnitedHealth replied in a written statement that it provided more accurate diagnoses and alleged, without providing evidence, that the Journals reporting method was flawed.) So, OK, Medicare Advantage charges the federal government more. Dont I want, as a patient, more money to be lavished on my health care? The sickest customers do not. People in their final years of life left Medicare Advantage for traditional Medicare at double the rate of other enrollees between 2016 and 2022, the Journal reported in November. This exodus of expensively dying patients saved Medicare Advantage $10 billion during this period.
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William769
(55,955 posts)They are nothing but HMO'S from the 90's. Senator Rick Scott & his wife were the biggest scammers of all the HMO'S!
pazzyanne
(6,630 posts)I have a BC/BS PPO that I love. Have never been denied care. I have a fatal auto-immune disease, so I have a lot of doctor appointments. Medicare Part D is also covered by my PPO.
marybourg
(13,224 posts)in your area. Not every state or area has both hmo and ppo offerings.
pazzyanne
(6,630 posts)Universal Health Care for all is needed!!!!!!!
Just Jerome
(117 posts)A formidable struggle it is to educate folks that Medicare Part C isnt Medicare.
The rethugs and insurance lobby have fooled so many, and continue to do so.
Reminds me of that old saw about how the devils greatest trick was convincing people that he does not exist.
Trust_Reality
(1,917 posts)Not sure about Part D. Not using it.
multigraincracker
(34,459 posts)Told the caller that to make sure this is not a scam to get my info, Ill call you right back at the number on my Caller ID. I did and a recording said this number is no longer in service.
Be careful.
KS Toronado
(19,795 posts)When it's a real person with English as a second language I ask where they are calling from and
it's always some major city but my caller ID always says it's local so I inform them that if they
start off by lying to me there's no way I can trust them.
Wish Congress would make manipulating your phone number illegal.
multigraincracker
(34,459 posts)I love to tell the caller Ill call you right back at the number on my caller ID. Ive done it to legit callers and explain why I do it. Theyve all said they cant blame me.
Anti Spoofing laws would be welcomed by me. I wonder which Big Money group is blocking that kind of legislation?
KS Toronado
(19,795 posts)SCantiGOP
(14,313 posts)Medicare Advantage can not be cheaper since they must add in a profit margin for the company selling the plan, but it is basically impossible to compare the two types of policies side by side.
Getting little tweaks like monthly reimbursements for buying fresh vegetables (if you keep and file the receipts), and a free taxi ride to appointments, will not come close to the cost of them denying a single treatment or service.
multigraincracker
(34,459 posts)Traditional B/C B/S. It cost me more, but I could go any where, even out of state. Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic.
OrlandoDem2
(2,351 posts)Please start studying this scam if youre about to go on Medicare.
Im 53 this year. 54 in a few months.
I want traditional Medicare in 12 years!!
pazzyanne
(6,630 posts)There is a lot of out-of-pocket expenses with traditional Medicare.
Auggie
(31,942 posts)and only paid my minimum yearly deduction, about $250.00.
That is not "a lot."
pazzyanne
(6,630 posts)Auggie
(31,942 posts)Trust_Reality
(1,917 posts)My state does. (CO)
Voltaire2
(14,957 posts)most of the gaps in part A and B, and the changes to part D limit your exposure there too.
DownriverDem
(6,699 posts)folks have told me. Also you need a drug plan & dental plan too.
multigraincracker
(34,459 posts)Commission on Aging. At least here in Michigan. They are experts on the subject and work for you. They told me my Ford UAW/BC/BS is the best there is and never switch from it without speaking to them
Go Lions
Voltaire2
(14,957 posts)This is why MA is a disgusting scam. They hook you with a lower premium and alleged dental, eye, prescription benefits. The dental and eye programs are as shitty as the standard shitty packages you get from shitty employer insurance programs: they cover minimal amounts of standard care, and almost nothing else.
MA is for-profit insurance, and they way they profit is primarily by denying coverage and limiting access. Unfortunately you have to balance a future risk: a health crisis that leaves you bankrupt because MA sucks, vs higher monthly premiums for a basic public insurance and a minimal private supplement that will not deny you coverage and will not as a result leave you destitute. I understand that this is not a great choice, but it seems obvious that avoiding MA is the best choice.
OrlandoDem2
(2,351 posts)They love it. My wifes uncle is a doctor on traditional Medicare. That speaks volumes. But, yes, Ill research it.
Trust_Reality
(1,917 posts)We used some savings in our mid-upper 70s - both my wife and I have had cancer - but not bad.
Stargazer99
(3,033 posts)so we make sure they don't get our vote
Celerity
(47,022 posts)The Balanced Budget Act of 1997
The Balanced Budget Act of 1997 (BBA 97) created Medicare Part Coriginally called
Medicare+Choice and now known as Medicare Advantageand made significant changes to
Medicares interactions with managed care plans.
Responding to concerns about solvency, overpayments, and favorable selection, the BBA 97
reworked TEFRAs payment formula, established new risk-adjustment measures that focused
on health status, and created an annual enrollment period to limit frequent mid-year changes.
It also authorized new types of private plans to participate: Preferred-provider organizations
(PPOs), provider-sponsored organizations (PSOs), and private fee-for-service (PFFS) plans.
Although the reforms were expected to increase enrollment 15% by 2005, plan market
participation contracted, enrollment numbers fell, and benefit packages shrank. Subsequent
analysis attributes these shifts to several factors, including natural market evolution and
shakeout after a period of rapid growth Medicare policy changes, the backlash against
managed care, and growth projections that were probably always unrealistic.
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Balanced Budget Act of 1997
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_Budget_Act_of_1997
The Balanced Budget Act of 1997 (Pub. L. 10533 (text) (PDF), 111 Stat. 251, enacted August 5, 1997) was an omnibus legislative package enacted by the United States Congress, using the budget reconciliation process, and designed to balance the federal budget by 2002.
This act was enacted during Bill Clinton's second term as president. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the act was to result in $160 billion in spending reductions between 1998 and 2002. After taking into account an increase in spending on Welfare and Children's Healthcare, the savings totaled $127 billion. Medicare cuts were responsible for $112 billion, and hospital inpatient and outpatient payments covered $44 billion. In order to reduce Medicare spending, the act reduced payments to health service providers. However, some of those changes to payments were reversed by subsequent legislation in 1999 and 2000.
Overview
The Balanced Budget Act was introduced on June 24, 1997, by Republican Ohio Representative John R. Kasich. There were three short titles that the act was also known as in the House of Representatives. In the House, this act was also called the Child Health Assistance Program of 1997, the Expansion of Portability and Health Insurance Coverage Act of 1997, and the Veterans Reconciliation Act of 1997.
The act changed key components of Medicaid that help to improve and expand Medicaid itself. The bill proposed a plan to get federal Medicaid savings, federally, in three areas. The bill also aimed to expand federal and state authority within the Medicaid system. The bill also established two new block grants to child health and to the states. These grants helped to bring in money to Medicaid systems for children and people in the states being funded to use to improve their Medicaid systems. It also created the State Children's Health Insurance Program which gives low income children healthcare coverage. The law introduced what would later be named Medicare Advantage under the name Medicare+Choice.
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Stargazer99
(3,033 posts)paleotn
(19,632 posts)He tried to be a softer, gentler version of Reagan and GHW Bush.
He also signed the Financial Services Modernization Act. During debate, Senator John Dingell D-MI said it would allow banks to become "too big to fail" and a federal bailout was inevitable. He was right, and it didn't take long. 2008 financial meltdown and the Great Recession.
Gee, thanks Bill. And in fairness, a bunch of congressional Dems who should have known better. But oh no! Third way. Triangulation. They and Big Dog got carried away by the siren song of "innovation", "growth" and "wealth creation." Orwellian use of those words. What they really meant was allowing financial institutions to take on insane amounts of risk in pursuit of profit. Those people should have known better too.
Voltaire2
(14,957 posts)neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party.
snot
(10,852 posts)the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which before its repeal, prevented investment banks from speculating with grandma's savings;
and also delined to regulate the then-newly invented credit derivatives, which were the source of at least $16 trillion of the losses borne by taxpayers after the 2008 Crash;
and also the Telecom Act of 1996, which repealed the former restrictions on consolidation of media ownership, leading to the number of independently- and/or locally-owned media outlets dropping from thousands to just 6 megacorps owning 95% of traditional media world-wide;
among other things.
MichMan
(13,658 posts)Here are the lists of the Yea and Nay votes so you can decide whom to vote against to hold them accountable. Take a good look at all the names as many are still serving in office.
House votes
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/1997345
Here are the votes in the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1051/vote_105_1_00209.htm
in the Senate Ford and Hollings who were southern conservatives and Wellstone an off the chart liberal were the only Democratic no votes.
In the House a similar mix of rightish Dems with some very liberal ones. McIntyre and Etheridge with Dellums.
VGuerra276
(56 posts)I have humana as my Medicare advantage plan. They're constantly denying me coverage. What do you all recommend?
pazzyanne
(6,630 posts)When I researched Humana there are a lot of "hooks" that are designed to draw you into their plan, but they are simply HMOs. HMOs are notorious for denying services. I have Blue Cross/ Blue Shield PPO that I am very happy with as it also covers medications.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)I'm on alot of meds too. I researched Medicare supplement/Part D options, and I couldn't find Part D plans that would cover enough of my meds. People in a Texas Teacher Retirement System FB group that I'm in recommended just staying on the current plan due to the drug coverage.
Haven't had coverage issues, but it is a special program through his work. (Long story about that)
Farmer-Rick
(11,548 posts)You can drop your Medicare Advantage program and switch back to regular Medicare, but you can only do so during the Medicare Open Enrollment period (October 15 - December 7) or during the Medicare Advantage Open Enrollment period (January 1 - March 31) each year; during these times, you can switch between a Medicare Advantage plan and Original Medicare without penalty.
Auggie
(31,942 posts)Regular Medicare is the best health decision you can make.
DownriverDem
(6,699 posts)supplemental and drug plan costing you? Why don't folks talk about the added monthly expense?
Auggie
(31,942 posts)the Plan D was $15.80.
I'm still working. Hoping I can make it to 70 before filing for SS. Inflation, you know. We live in a society controlled by profiteers. That is not going to change. Better to have too much money and not need it than need it and not have it.
My father, who retired at age 55 and filed for SS at age 62 (year 1990) thought he'd have enough to live on his entire life. He woefully miscalculated.
Voltaire2
(14,957 posts)can discriminate against you for pre-existing conditions if you switch from MA. They are excluded from the ACA restrictions against this behavior.
Farmer-Rick
(11,548 posts)What 65 year old doesn't have a preexisting condition?
And if you're on Advantage, you can not get gap insurance. But there are plenty of Medicare supplemental plans out there. People should always ask up front when getting quotes about discrimination for preexisting conditions.
multigraincracker
(34,459 posts)COA. They will go over ALL of your options and explain them all for you
surfered
(3,931 posts)Trueblue Texan
(3,064 posts)He's just going to divert them into the pockets of his rich friends.
paleotn
(19,632 posts)Greyhead
(58 posts)They usually stammer and dont know what to say and then I hang up.
Farmer-Rick
(11,548 posts)For the last 2 years.
But every time open enrollment comes around I get hundreds of phone calls from health insurance corporations from October to March. It's non stop. I have blocked so many of them on my landline that now my list of blocked calls is full. Bunch of scam artists.
paleotn
(19,632 posts)To warrant that kind of effort, it must be fabulously profitable! Otherwise, why all the costly effort?
My wife and I are approaching eligibility. I'm not looking forward to it.
milestogo
(18,406 posts)Oneear
(158 posts)They are about how to make money
DownriverDem
(6,699 posts)PPO Medicare Advantage is what I have. I picked it because it was similar to what I had at work. No one told me that MAs were bad. From what folks post a supplemental and drug plan needed with regular Medicare is pretty expensive. Why don't folks talk about that?
dalton99a
(85,061 posts)totodeinhere
(13,381 posts)Or if you are indigent you might qualify for Medicaid in lieu of a supplement plan. But unfortunately there are a lot of people who have slightly too much in assets or income to qualify for Medicaid yet they can't afford a supplement plan either. I think they call it "falling through the cracks." And with the Republicans totally in charge now don't look for this problem to be addressed anytime soon.
LetMyPeopleVote
(155,906 posts)During the official enrollment period, I was getting a dozen calls a day to try to sell me one of these plans. Heck I fired Wellcare as my prescription drug insurance provider and still got calls to sell me a Wellcare advantage plan. These idiots did not understand why I would not buy their scam plans
These advantage plans are paying a ton of money to solicit people to give up real coverage for their plans. One key hint is that if a plan can pay for these types of promotions, then it is a scam.
Wifes husband
(126 posts)I went through a series of hyperbaric oxygen treatments, which is the only effective treatment for the condition I had.
My wife said Medicare advantage insurance was routinely rejected by the staff when they came in for treatment. My standard Medicare and blue cross/blue shield supplement was accepted without question.
Speaks for itself as far as I am concerned