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David Boyle

(732 posts)
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 10:58 PM Jan 3

Send Judge Merchan a message about what punishment you want for Trump

jmerchan@nycourts.gov

That's Judge Juan Merchan's e-mail. Send him a message, e.g., give Trump 4 years in prison; or, at least 4 days; or, a fine (at least a dollar, maybe many dollars); or, scrubbing toilets at Rikers; or, probation; or, whatever you like.

While it may be unpleasant to hear the prospect of no punishment for Trump, at least the judge didn't dismiss the felony convictions. That would've been horrible.

And importantly, Merchan notes at https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFs/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Clayton%20Decision.pdf , p. 17, "While this Court as a matter of law must not make any determination on sentencing prior to giving the parties and Defendant an opportunity to be heard, it seems proper at this juncture to make known the Court's inclination..."
In other words, Merchan hasn't made his determination yet. He's not allowed to.
So, send him a message about what you think.

He may ignore you, but if you send him a message, you've

DONE YOUR PART. Who can ask more.

Thanks for doing your part. God bless you, and God bless America.

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Send Judge Merchan a message about what punishment you want for Trump (Original Post) David Boyle Jan 3 OP
U-S-A! U-S-A!! David Boyle Jan 3 #1
He's bound by the law, including the state's sentencing guidelines, Ocelot II Jan 3 #2
We do not know that David Boyle Jan 3 #3
Bragg cherry picks his battles Polybius Jan 4 #12
It will be a gross injustice if he does not get prison time. lees1975 Jan 3 #4
Then write Merchan! David Boyle Jan 3 #5
DO NOT do this FBaggins Jan 3 #6
Which means that he won't consider anything that's sent to him Ocelot II Jan 3 #8
Interesting David Boyle Jan 4 #9
"Thanks", not "thaks" David Boyle Jan 4 #10
People can write all they want; it just won't make any difference. Ocelot II Jan 4 #11
Maybe so David Boyle Jan 4 #14
The Department of Justice isn't part of the judicial branch. You can write to them on this form Ocelot II Jan 4 #16
I know he's state David Boyle Jan 4 #19
Mailing prosecutors isn't the same as mailing judges, though it's equally pointless. Ocelot II Jan 4 #21
No pressure, just opinion David Boyle Jan 4 #22
What punishment? paleotn Jan 3 #7
Do a lite version David Boyle Jan 4 #28
25 YEARS IN JAIL Trueblue1968 Jan 4 #36
But does the moon deserve better? David Boyle Jan 4 #37
He and all the GOPigs would be off our earth forever. That is all i care about. Trueblue1968 Jan 4 #38
"Fly me to the moon..." David Boyle Jan 4 #41
Knr UTUSN Jan 4 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 4 #15
Have a Link? GP6971 Jan 4 #17
Please let us know who these trolls are....initials are good. I'm sure MIRT can figure it out. GP6971 Jan 4 #18
Heh David Boyle Jan 4 #20
He will never see a day of prison or any REAL consequences Meowmee Jan 4 #23
You never know David Boyle Jan 4 #24
Hopefully if there is a god etc. Meowmee Jan 4 #25
AMEN! David Boyle Jan 4 #26
God will do nothing. Intractable Jan 4 #29
Eeeee David Boyle Jan 4 #31
How informative. Intractable Jan 4 #32
Expressing my horror that God might do nothing, David Boyle Jan 4 #33
Oh, is that what you mean? Intractable Jan 4 #34
You never know... David Boyle Jan 4 #35
He should be sentenced to prison time that he must begin serving at 1pm on January 20, 2029. LonePirate Jan 4 #27
Sometimes there has been no jail time for these types of crimes David Boyle Jan 4 #30
Deportation! Sogo Jan 4 #39
Haw haw David Boyle Jan 4 #40

Ocelot II

(123,950 posts)
2. He's bound by the law, including the state's sentencing guidelines,
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 11:07 PM
Jan 3

and by the fact that the prosecution is not requesting prison time. Emails from the public demanding anything else will not make a lick of difference, nor should it.

David Boyle

(732 posts)
3. We do not know that
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 11:10 PM
Jan 3

If the public has an informed opinion, it can make a difference. Too, there can be fines, etc., not prison time.

If you want to mail the DA Alvin Bragg, here we are: bragga@dany.nyc.gov

Thanks for replying!

Polybius

(19,623 posts)
12. Bragg cherry picks his battles
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:18 AM
Jan 4

There's crime that he looks the other way on, and other acts that he had no business prosecuting.

lees1975

(6,372 posts)
4. It will be a gross injustice if he does not get prison time.
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 11:25 PM
Jan 3

Just another privileged billionaire trashing the rule of law because he can buy his way out.

Why should any of us obey the law anymore?

FBaggins

(28,063 posts)
6. DO NOT do this
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 11:33 PM
Jan 3

You’re focusing on the wrong “he’s not allowed to”.

He’s also not allowed to receive outside communications like this.

“A judge shall not initiate, permit, or consider ex parte communications, or consider other communications made to the judge outside the presence of the parties or their lawyers, concerning a pending* or impending matter,*…”

Ocelot II

(123,950 posts)
8. Which means that he won't consider anything that's sent to him
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 11:49 PM
Jan 3

demanding some punishment other than what the prosecution and defense have agreed to and that's within the sentencing guidelines - because he can't. I used to work for a judge; he got all sorts of mail demanding one thing or another, and none of it ever entered into a court decision. Judges don't and can't make their decisions on the basis of demands by members of the public.

David Boyle

(732 posts)
9. Interesting
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:07 AM
Jan 4

I've heard many times, I thought, about the public writing lots of letters to judges (e.g., in big controversial cases); I doubt that the public always also sends a copy to the defendant and prosecutor. (And a member of the public writing, is different from one of the actual parties privately writing to the judge.)

Still, to be on the safe side, if people just want to write Alvin Bragg (requesting he ask for a fine, or what-have-you) instead of Merchan, that could work too. Or if people want to write all three (Merchan, Bragg, Trump's lawyer), they can do that too.

Thaks to you and FBaggins for weighing in.

Ocelot II

(123,950 posts)
11. People can write all they want; it just won't make any difference.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:18 AM
Jan 4

It's kind of like internet petitions - makes you feel good because you think you're doing something even though you really aren't. And think about this: What if Trump's DoJ started prosecuting his political enemies, and his appointed judges based their decisions in those cases on letters and emails from MAGA mouth-breathers? What if Hunter Biden hadn't been pardoned before sentencing, and somebody like Steve Bannon urged Trump cultists to write to the judge and demand that he sentence Hunter to years and years in prison? There's a damn good reason judges can't consider materials that weren't presented as part of the case; it's to be sure they don't yield to pressure from the public. "The public" includes a lot of idiots.

Ocelot II

(123,950 posts)
16. The Department of Justice isn't part of the judicial branch. You can write to them on this form
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:52 AM
Jan 4

to supply tips or information about crimes or maybe complain about a crime not being prosecuted, for example, but nothing you write to DoJ will go to any judge because DoJ is part of the executive and not the judicial branch. Also, Judge Merchan isn't federal at all. He's a NY state court judge.

David Boyle

(732 posts)
19. I know he's state
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:08 AM
Jan 4

Just trying to make a point.

Also, I know DOJ isn't the judiciary; I was making the point that sometimes people mail prosecutors.

Ocelot II

(123,950 posts)
21. Mailing prosecutors isn't the same as mailing judges, though it's equally pointless.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:12 AM
Jan 4

The OP was an exhortation to put pressure on Judge Merchan, not the prosecutor (who, by the way, is also not demanding prison time). Judges are required to be impartial and can't consider material coming from outside the proceedings. Prosecutors aren't impartial but they still have to follow the law and the evidence.

David Boyle

(732 posts)
22. No pressure, just opinion
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 01:21 AM
Jan 4

No one was saying to whup Merchan with a blackjack if he resists.

Too, no one is saying to disregard the law or evidence. Thank goodness.

paleotn

(20,196 posts)
7. What punishment?
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 11:38 PM
Jan 3

If I commit my thoughts to writing, digital or otherwise, I'm sure to get a visit from the Secret Service. My idea of just punishment for that bastard is off the table unfortunately.

Response to David Boyle (Original post)

GP6971

(34,398 posts)
18. Please let us know who these trolls are....initials are good. I'm sure MIRT can figure it out.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:59 AM
Jan 4

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Meowmee

(8,207 posts)
23. He will never see a day of prison or any REAL consequences
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:00 AM
Jan 4

For any of his crimes. It is just another bad joke in a long line of enablement and appeasement. He should have been in prison long ago and should have been charged with many crimes long before being installed into power.

Intractable

(958 posts)
34. Oh, is that what you mean?
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:37 AM
Jan 4

Good luck convincing supernatural beings to interfere in our politics.

I'm sure you are a sincere believer. Feel free to pray all you want. But, please don't ever confuse it with actual causal action.

LonePirate

(14,068 posts)
27. He should be sentenced to prison time that he must begin serving at 1pm on January 20, 2029.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:17 AM
Jan 4

His presidency is over then and nothing could stop him from serving his time, provided he is still alive then.

Of course, if Merchan truly believed in seeing justice carried out, he would sentence him to jail immediately for at least a month.

Does anyone know what the state guidelines for sentencing are in cases with similar convictions?

David Boyle

(732 posts)
30. Sometimes there has been no jail time for these types of crimes
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 02:31 AM
Jan 4

"Non-violent", first-time, etc.

Then again, given Trump's lack of repentance...

Too, re Merchan saying, "..it seems proper at this juncture to make known the Court's inclination to not impose any sentence of incarceration, a sentence authorized by the conviction but one the People concede they no longer view as a practicable recommendation", I don't see DA Bragg actually saying that latter thing.

So if, say, you want to mail anyone to point that out (though some commentators above think nothing should be mailed to Merchan that's not mailed to Bragg and Trump's lawyers also), that's up to you.

Thanks for commenting!

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