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BREAKING: Las Vegas Metro police release more letters from bomber Matthew Livelsberger where he tells Americans to rally around Donald Trump, Elon Musk and RFK Jr
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newdeal2
(1,161 posts)Please feel free to follow in his footsteps. Just don't harm us innocents.
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malaise
(279,179 posts)for visibility
I love that hes all for family values and rallying around the COnvicted felon. Wish he paid more attention in English class.
Good riddance.
hlthe2b
(106,988 posts)Renew Deal
(83,165 posts)We're #1. We need more machismo, etc, etc.
yardwork
(64,846 posts)White men good, women weak, etc.
His own life contradicted it, which is why he was in despair.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)Baitball Blogger
(48,552 posts)But I do see a contradiction. He says the billionaires have sold them out, (and yes, I would agree) but then he says rally around Trump and Elon Musk? Aren't they the ones who have empowered the billionaires?
Think. Again.
(19,453 posts)There are quite a few points he made that any self-respecting Dem would agree with.
wnylib
(24,920 posts)the 1% and income inequality, but then completely misses the source of the problem by blaming Democrats and siding with the 1% politically.
Baitball Blogger
(48,552 posts)It sounds like he was so programmed to think away from the proper solution, that his brain cracked.
stollen
(610 posts)is the reason for the confusion.
Initech
(102,653 posts)They so badly want to be the American version of Russia Today.
B.See
(3,922 posts)is INCAPABLE of comprehending how Trump and his filthy rich acolytes are PRECISELY the people they claim to abhor.
NJCher
(38,345 posts)Hes not.
ecstatic
(34,553 posts)Mangione seemed to be well read, but most of these guys are extremely confused rightwingers. These guys will be targeting prominent Democrats next. None of it should be encouraged because the copycat violence will 100% be turned back on us. There aren't a lot of left-leaning armed and violent zealots.
Blue_Tires
(57,066 posts)AverageOldGuy
(2,212 posts)Hes not nutty.
He represents a VERY LARGE % of our population.
You must live in urban America.
Come out here in the rural counties and listen to these guys at the bars, the Legion halls, the Moose lodge, the volunteer fire departments and rescue squads, on the Boards of Supervisirs.
Baitball Blogger
(48,552 posts)put the pieces together.
It does sound like his remedy is to kill Democrats, so...yeah. That's insane. And if the others believe that in the rural areas, why aren't the media putting up red flag warnings to protect the rest of us? We don't promote murder.
Sorry, but he does sound insane, and so do they.
H2O Man
(75,849 posts)Interesting and well said. I have an associate that thinks "brainwashing" to create such unstable individuals is an on-going program. This is, in his opinion, going on at levels beyond "perception management" of the masses. I do not agree or disagree with him, but it is interesting to consider. Your post reminds me of our most recent conversation, from last night, when you said, "That's insane." Not that if true anyone could likely be considered legally "insane" in the justice system. But they might be.
Baitball Blogger
(48,552 posts)That was my first reaction. My second was, damn, I might be right.
Yes, I do believe there are mental changes going on in their heads. To hate and be that judgmental against a race or culture and forget everything about being a good person in the universal sense, it is something that psychologists should pitch in and start telling us the truth about, because we are seeing it play out in real life.
And, I know it's a physical change because it happened to me for about 20 minutes many years ago. I don't like talking about it because it shames me, but if I'm right, then maybe someone should open the dialogue. After it happened, I thought to myself, this is how they feel all the time! Okay, let me begin by saying that it was not a big deal for anyone else, but it was for me because it was so not my personality. It just wasn't me.
It occurred maybe thirty-five years ago, where there weren't many Latinos where I lived. So, let's just say I lived in an American Anglo world and back then I was still going along with the idea of assimilation. So, one day I was out on an errand and I was driving through an outdoor shopping center. The car in front of me stopped and someone got out. That was not a big deal. What was a big deal is that the car waited for the passenger, blocking the lane. I can't remember why I couldn't get around him, but that's the scenario.
Okay, that might annoy anyone, but for me it got worse because I tied it to something I know about the Latino culture. I grew up abroad and I know they are creative drivers. And some of the things they do would not be considered safe driving by any standards, like the Puerto Rican mom who would be at the back of the car line for the child pick up at school. She had her child wait for her when he came out and position himself at the farthest end, beyond where the normal pick up areas took place. When she saw him she would then drive quickly around the other cars and he would hop in the car and they whizzed off. It was dangerous because she would drive by the other cars so fast that if any child decided to walk between the cars to get to the parking area, she would never see them.
Anyway, just know that the driving in Latin America can get pretty creative. It didn't bother me when I was single, but as a mother I definitely learned to appreciate America's strict rules on the road.
So what happened with the car that blocked me. On that day I was particularly tired and run down. So when the car blocked me my reaction was visceral. it reminded me of how the same thing would happen at the CVS in Miami Gardens when I went down to visit my parents. It was common practice back then (Police stopped it about a decade later), but the two things came together, and I swear it was like I became possessed. I could actually feel anger and hatred bristling along my spine and the thought that came to my head was, "Why don't they stay in their own country, or learn our laws!" I held onto that level of intense judgement for about five minutes and it took another 15 minutes for reason to finally calm me down. Afterward I accepted that I had overreacted, but the one thing I thought to myself, "My God, this is how racist Anglos must feel ALL the time."
So, for 20 minutes, I was fully assimilated into the conservative Anglo culture. And from that day on the social experiment was over. I began to back away from the process.
So, yes, if there are any studies in psychology that will recognize this level of physical change in a person, now is the time to let us know. Because I believe its what s happening on the Right with many people. They have yielded reason and accepted being possessed by inner demons.
barbtries
(30,008 posts)the country is sick. Mass sociopathy. propaganda has accomplished this breaking of the brains of about half the country. they are all nutty.
IronLionZion
(47,236 posts)we rarely know who is nutty enough to do something until it's too late.
mountain grammy
(27,410 posts)soldierant
(8,035 posts)are billionaires r]themselves (or at least one of them is and the other pretends to be.)
Blowing up a Tesla in front of a Trump** hotel doesn't look like rallying around them. It looks more like having realized he was an idiot and not being able to live with the truth, to me.
Baitball Blogger
(48,552 posts)Maybe he couldn't accept the fact that Elon Musk had co-opted them? It broke his brain.
hunter
(39,097 posts)They discover that everything they thought they knew about God, Politics, and Women is a lie and then, instead of seeking any kind of truth, instead of opening their minds to new ideas, they go on murderous self-destructive rampages.
Anti-intellectualism is rotting the fabric of our nation.
soldierant
(8,035 posts)but toxic masculinity does exist. Inability to admit a mistake is one marker of it. (Toxic femininity also exists, sadly.)
duncang
(3,749 posts)You had bannon and loomer tear into tfg and musk along with a few others. Nick Fuentes went after jds wife. Was the h1b finally a bridge to far?
Baitball Blogger
(48,552 posts)Especially if there's a white dominance desire behind their agenda. Elon Musk displacing good jobs for whites to give to minorities would be something that would destroy the weakest among them.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)He would go through periods of withdrawal, and he struggled with depression and memory loss, Arritt said.
I dont know what drove him to do this, but I think the military didnt get him help when he needed it.
When Livelsberger struggled during the time they were dating, Arritt prodded him to get help. But he would not, saying it could cost him his ability to deploy if he was found medically unfit.
There was a lot of stigma in his unit, they were, you know, big, strong, Special Forces guys there, there was no weakness allowed and mental health is weakness is what they saw, she said.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hotel-fire-soldier-brain-trauma-afghanistan-4c5a20b500bc2131a7ef324878938034
FBI said it was PTSD,, he also wrote a bunch of stuff about drones (he seemed paranoid) in his manifesto and about war crimes in Afghanistan. He said he did what he did where he did because it was a "Wake up call". He literally told everyone to support Trump, Musk, and Kennedy. He claimed he was doing this to get Trump to notice stuff about Chinese drone warfare on the east coast. He tried to contact Hegseth, but was unsuccessful. He also claimed he did it to "cleanse himself of the brothers I've lost and relieve myself of the lives I took" I don't think it was about visas
tulipsandroses
(6,282 posts)I have zero empathy for this racist MAGAT.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(388 posts)Response to RedWhiteBlueIsRacist (Reply #6)
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(388 posts)Response to RedWhiteBlueIsRacist (Reply #88)
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RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(388 posts)Blue_Tires
(57,066 posts)But I'll never complain about one less Trumper wasting our oxygen.
ExciteBike66
(2,642 posts)Says the guy who was cheating on his wife...
calimary
(84,730 posts)Melania, AND on the two discarded wives before her - Marla and Ivana.
Wonder whos Number Four, and whether shes already lurking somewhere in the picture.
obamanut2012
(27,916 posts)enid602
(9,098 posts)Only one question; how did Trump manage to overlook Livelsberger for the DoD Chief position?
sheshe2
(88,368 posts)WTF?
Typical MAGA speak.
milestogo
(18,406 posts)Cha
(305,924 posts)I have seen the pic.
I still can't figure out his motive for killing himself, in a Tesla and in front of a hotel that has tsf's name on it. I am curious to know WTH is going on.
Cha
(305,924 posts)decided Obliterating himself was More Important.
It's said his wife left him.. & he was totally brainwashed... all he did was shoot himself in the head and blow up inside a Tesla in front of a Sick Fuck hotel in Las Vegas.
A perfect Metaphore for the incoming Shit.
sheshe2
(88,368 posts)Neither the location or the bombing of the Tesla. It makes no sense at all.
Kid Berwyn
(18,456 posts)PTSD. PSYOPS. Raised on BFEE diet of Reaganomics. Radicalized by Putins professionals* to worship Trump.
* Note the guy was a Special Forces NCO dipshits dont make Master Sergeant.
yardwork
(64,846 posts)It's the same old toxic American myth. "White men created this nation from the wilderness and only white men can make us great. The Democrats try to put women and non-whites in charge and that's why we're losing." (They use different words of course.)
Boils down to: Woke is bad.
sheshe2
(88,368 posts)bucolic_frolic
(47,767 posts)I think he means dates. He's his own brain trust. 3/4 emotion and light on facts.
moondust
(20,541 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Gaugamela
(2,690 posts)BannonsLiver
(18,293 posts)kysrsoze
(6,182 posts)And he cries about blatant corruption, yet is too thick to see how rampant it is in his own thieving party. Enjoy your dirt nap, wingnut.
Kingofalldems
(39,314 posts)And a few post here on DU. Think about that for a while.
Prairie Gates
(3,606 posts)Ironically, two of the most active were despertaly pushing this as terrorism. Clowns.
Mountainguy
(1,033 posts)Seems to be popular lately.
PeaceWave
(1,197 posts)W_HAMILTON
(8,586 posts)PCIntern
(27,059 posts)They were also implying that he commit suicide because his DNA does not match his sons implying that hes not the dad. I might think that the occupant of the car is not who we think it is. Right now I dont know exactly what to think.
Johonny
(22,305 posts)Because he was dead wrong about Biden focusing on domestic RW terrorists instead the magic imaginary evil immigrant. We all know Johnson won't because he is a pile fake Christian crap.
Rebl2
(15,042 posts)brainwashed. He talks about income inequality and self enrichment which is what republicans are all about. He speaks of homelessness issues in this country. Republicans, who he adored apparently, would prefer putting the homeless in prison instead of helping them. He seemed to hate war, yet he was in the military and fought in wars. Who got us in the war he fought in, republicans.
magicarpet
(17,136 posts)Reality is fabricated to blame exclusively those who you hate. Your red Nazi team will be the savation of the world and bring justice, equality, peace, and the blessings of the Trinity upon you.
Skittles
(160,529 posts)nutcase
magicarpet
(17,136 posts).... and spritzes half a large can of Aqua Net hairspray on his coiffure before he will even think of leaving the house.
Skittles
(160,529 posts)I will NEVER understand how any self-respecting military person can support Cadet Bonespurs.
live love laugh
(14,590 posts)Probably still is.
Skittles
(160,529 posts)seriously
live love laugh
(14,590 posts)I will never know fortunately because I have never and will never watch that crap.
Skittles
(160,529 posts)I quickly pegged it as absolute garbage and an insult to any form of intelligence.
Mr.Bill
(24,903 posts)are a fairly low bar to get over. This guy is a sociopath and a coward.
global1
(25,967 posts)Where have I heard this language and theme before?
Manchurian Candidate - maybe?
Coincidence?
Who is the beneficiary of this message?
I got a tinfoil hat for Christmas!!!
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(388 posts)On top of that, his call to arms screed came off sounding very Charles Manson-ish. Both were crazy kooks. Livelsberger, a great big nothing-burger. Trump was the hill he died on, pathetic.
BannonsLiver
(18,293 posts)Im going to incinerate myself to own the libs.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(388 posts)Especially after his 1st term.
RockRaven
(16,578 posts)problems he identifies (greed, gluttony, lack of morals, lack of respect, too much processed food, too much screen time, income inequality, weekend at bernie's, blatant corruption) because supposedly the walking talking tweeting avatar of all those things will fix them. What a dumbfuck.
Bye Felicia.
B.See
(3,922 posts)As do they all. For every one MAGAt like him there are hundreds more.
WarGamer
(15,822 posts)W_HAMILTON
(8,586 posts)The fact that he took his ideology so extreme that he resorted to political violence? (LOL, I didn't think that one through, since clearly it's not this based on all the examples of MAGA political violence through the years).
The fact that he ended up accidentally or purposefully taking his own life in doing so?
Or...?
How do you distinguish this fool from any other MAGA fool out there spouting the same sort of bullshit?
WarGamer
(15,822 posts)And the quotes from former girlfriend?
He was failed by the VA.
hay rick
(8,354 posts)taxi
(2,032 posts)Questions we asked when studying earlier civilizations and their beliefs, the questions of how the entire world believed in mythological beings and creation stories. Now we know. The illusion that humanity and civilized society has advanced in those thousands of years is just that, an illusion. We are no smarter or better than our predecessors in faraway lands. The stories of whom they called gods lived on mountains, in oceans, flew through the sky, and even drained oceans. On top of that healthcare for the gods was impeccable - they were immortal.
And now we know how myths, legends, and folklore comes to be.
La Coliniere
(1,101 posts)Not too smart if you can identify real problems yet at the same time side with their source. Looks like he blew up real good, as someone used to say. What a fool.
happybird
(5,223 posts)Seems to me he had PTSD, as well as being poisoned by right wing propaganda and toxic alpha male puffery.
Sadly, veteran and active duty military suicides are not uncommon.
Frank D. Lincoln
(668 posts)Livelsberger is just an extreme example.
People on the political right (especially the far right) are divorced from reality. It's just a matter of to what degree.
dalton99a
(85,061 posts)magicarpet
(17,136 posts)Anything less should be taken out back, made to dig their own grave, and then shot.
Orrex
(64,386 posts)Fuck him and his charred corpse.
Cha
(305,924 posts)JustAnotherGen
(33,894 posts)Sick twist.
Sneederbunk
(15,417 posts)Cha
(305,924 posts)himself?
Serious Question.
Are there any pics of him besides this one?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-is-matthew-livelsbergers-wife-sara-livelsbergers-anti-trump-messages/ar-AA1wQTK7
TY
wolfie001
(3,891 posts)That's not patriotic. That's flat-out Nazism. His dad's a goofy clown. I wish they'd just ignore his family at this point. No more "cow patties" of wisdom from them.
Prairie Gates
(3,606 posts)The military kept promoting this incoherent dipshit?
barbtries
(30,008 posts)sounds like this guy should have been in care. he points out inequality and then says let's rally around the fascists and the oligarchs?
his brain must have really hurt. that is so back assward i'm just shaking my head.
ThePartyThatListens
(300 posts)IronLionZion
(47,236 posts)Renew Deal
(83,165 posts)Were they posted on the internet or sent to someone?
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)LAS VEGAS (KLAS) This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wake up call, a note found on a phone inside the Tesla Cybertruck that exploded on New Years Day outside the Las Vegas International Trump Hotel said, according to police.
At a news conference Friday, law enforcement officials gave additional details on the events that led up to Matthew Livelsberger, 37, driving a Tesla Cybertruck to the hotel and detonating explosive materials inside it.
Livelsberger died from a gunshot wound to the head just before the explosion, the coroners office ruled Thursday. LVMPD Sheriff Kevin McMahill said Livelsberger was positively identified by several things, including tattoo comparisons.
While the body was still in the vehicle, we were unable to identify those specific tattoos until we were able to remove some of it, McMahill said.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/police-to-release-more-details-at-in-las-vegas-new-years-day-explosion/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=socialflow
They had a big ole press conference today. It starts at 10 min. The press conference stated they would release these and the reporter released them on twitter. The bomber also sent an email to a guy with weird drone conspiracy theories.
Renew Deal
(83,165 posts)Who is responsible for this investigation? Why would LVPD be in a hurry to release these? Police Departments are not usually in a hurry to release evidence.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)imaginary girl
(928 posts)Renew Deal
(83,165 posts)What is the value of releasing this off of his phone? What else did they find on the phone that wasn't released? Who has the authority to release info from his phone? Why is LVPD releasing evidence when this is likely a federal investigation?
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)Renew Deal
(83,165 posts)He was endorsed in his nonpartisan election by Joe Lombardo, who is now the republican governor of Nevada.
https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas-a98dbad3582419333ba8204900d66326
The release of this information might be intentionally subversive.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)This proves that he is a terrorist!
The documents are also at the end of the article.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/police-to-release-more-details-at-in-las-vegas-new-years-day-explosion/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=socialflow
Renew Deal
(83,165 posts)It might also be a call to action. It's just unusual that these two messages were released while other materials weren't.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)He removed all his political posts from FB and also posts with his wife prior to all of this. (This was per his uncle yesterday. Uncle stated that he had a falling out with his wife, so he removed all posts and that he also removed posts about politics)
Also yesterday an ex girl friend came forward.
Video goes over more stuff like where he charged his vehicle. Also, he allegedly emailed a retired military guy. That specific email is going all over the internet. It's also full of crazy stuff. In the presser they talked about the email. They said they think it's him, but they can't be 100% sure.
travelingthrulife
(1,027 posts)It's a love/hate sort of thing.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)The sheriff spoke for 5 minutes and showed crime scene photos. The assistant sheriff (counter terrorism) gave a narrative of the events and ML's path and stuff. He was much easier to listen too. Then the FBI and ATF spoke. Then the gravelly sheriff opened up Q&As.
sinkingfeeling
(53,378 posts)Prairie Gates
(3,606 posts)doc03
(37,042 posts)He thinks the most corrupt president and the richest man on earth are going to make things better for the comman man.
Hassler
(3,794 posts)Kind of like Chump
Iris
(16,176 posts)NeoTrajan
(6 posts)It's as if he believes every word from FoxNews and QAnon
Bristlecone
(10,537 posts)Nothing but misguided ramblings of a mentally unstable person that he thought would be held up as some weird call to action. All drowned out by another lunatic just hours before.
LeftInTX
(30,972 posts)People speculated it could have been a Tesla battery gone bad or camping equipment gone wrong. No one died but him, but a terrorist attack complete with an ISIS flag, truck running people over, active shooter, 15 dead people and IEDs placed all over town will certainly grab much more attention and resources than a suicide via fireworks.
ZonkerHarris
(25,489 posts)LudwigPastorius
(11,179 posts)How are you going to rail against the 1% and corrupt politicians lacking morales (sic) while idolizing a rich, crooked degenerate like Donald Trump?
UTUSN
(72,810 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2025, 06:16 PM - Edit history (1)
Silly me to have the thought pass through that military protocol/norm is that personal politics is to be kept out of official military interactions. This dude was on active duty, not a "veteran," so why was he posting his personal opinions signed off with his military identification stuff?
Oh, he's a MAGAt, so protocol/norms don't apply.
Lemons UK
(29 posts)Is our children learning? - GWB
Vinca
(51,307 posts)Passages
(1,452 posts)soulless unethical men. Unprecedented when you add the power of SCOTUS in their favor.
MagickMuffin
(17,215 posts)Our country has a serious mental health crisis with a large portion being our military personnel. They have been brainwashed to hate their fellow Americans because of politics.
Question is Does Fox News use subliminal programming?
allegorical oracle
(3,500 posts)Docreed2003
(17,926 posts)We are in for a slog fam....I have no clue what the future holds for this country but it feels like we're sitting on a powder keg of truth vs manufactured lies and fascims vs democracy and oligarchy vs all of us