Joyce Vance: We Need to Talk About This

[Nevilledog]

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/we-need-to-talk-about-this


Today’s widely discussed Trump post on Truth Social isn’t just another instance of bad behavior. It’s not just a shrug of the shoulders and a resigned sigh of, “What are you going to do?” Far too often, people resignedly accept Trump’s behavior because they believe there’s no alternative. The zeitgeist is: We can’t make him stop, can we?

Here’s Trump’s Truth Social post. It’s a video, and although I hate to send you to Truth Social, you can watch the whole thing here. Or read on for my description. What you need to know is that this is unprecedented and out of bounds. If you or I did this, the Secret Service would be on our doorstep within hours.

Donald Trump, by the way, is out on bond ahead of trial in four separate criminal cases. Today, he threatened the President of the United States. It’s time for the people with authority to do so to deal with him. Sure, he’s the Republican Party’s presidential candidate, but they won’t reign him in. And someone is going to get hurt if he isn’t.

What is this? It’s a video that Trump posted on his Truth Social account today, around 12:38 p.m. The subject of the clip is two trucks in full “Trump 2024” regalia, driving down the highway. The second one has a full-size, full-color image across the back gate of Joe Biden, unconscious, arms and legs bound as though he’s been kidnapped and left in the back of the pickup truck. As the truck drives off the camera zooms in on the image, just to make sure there’s no missing it.

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[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Joyce Vance is always worth reading.

This piece is particularly good. She really nails TFG. I hope someone who is in a position to do something about it, will do something.

The situation is very scary plus it makes my blood boil.

TRUMP MUST GO.

[Mr. Evil]

25. You are so right, CalPeg!

My blood's been boiling for so long I worry that I'll soon not have enough to carry my alcohol flow! He needs to be jailed immediately.

[Joinfortmill]

2. Throw this MF*ucker in jail.

[Irish_Dem]

3. We keep letting Trump bully and terrorize everyone.

Why?

[Biophilic]

4. You know, that's a really good question.

Are they afraid? Are they afraid of trump's followers or something more ? Why are they letting this liar/traitor run free?

[gab13by13]

7. Yes, Yes, They are afraid.

[Traildogbob]

12. Fucking embarrassing

That the Mighty United States is now a wimpy ass coward of a country that we do nothing to confront a Terrorist Cleric leader that just keeps kicking our justice system in the balls while edging his cult on to attack and kill Americans that will not bow to him.
The world is seeing us as a shivering terrified country afraid of a fat ass loud mouth asshole.
Let him do anything he wants because we are afraid of what his ignorant cult “might” do.
What the hell happened to us? All the graves filled with dead soldiers that gave all to not allow this shit here, did not cower worrying about what “might” happen.
This veteran is fucking ashamed.
Treat them like any terrorist on other soil.
Or cower in a corner.

[Alliepoo]

30. I love everything you've said here.

I agree 100%

[Traildogbob]

31. 🤜🤛

[birdographer]

44. Totally agree

And we, citizens of the United States, do what? Millions--and then more millions--of us are sick and tired of this, we want him locked up forever like every single damn one of us would be if we did half of what he has done, and this means nothing. He knows this. He knows that there are about 3-4 people, judges, who can put him in jail, and he knows every one of those cowards are afraid of him. They bow before him, and the millions of citizens who want him dead mean nothing. Three or four people, that's all he has to get through to stay free. Piece of cake.

I was embarrassed to be an American when he was president, and he is once again embarrassing us all by proving that our system of justice is made of tissue paper. There is no system of justice for the rich and for a demented man in full diapers doing and saying whatever he wants in his toddler tantrums. Every person in every other civilized country is baffled why he is not in prison, like he would be in their country.

If I were them, I would wonder why in a country so utterly gun-crazed, he has not been shot. Russians probably wonder why he has not fallen out a window.

[Traildogbob]

50. Like minds.

The mightiest nation on earth held hostage by one fat ass fake head to toe vile bag of snot, penis seeping juices and solids.
And we all agree he should fall out of a window from His now Tallest rat infested whites only building in the city that threw him out like a month of that cities trash. And the building that Eric and Jr personally laid every brick during construction.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Yes it is one of the mysteries of the 21st century.

Why an entire country let a ruthless sociopath do so much damage and destruction.

[triron]

35. I know a few remedies but I'll keep them under my hat.

[gab13by13]

6. Occam's Razor,

People Fear Trump.

[OMGWTF]

29. People fear Trump's flying monkeys.

[hadEnuf]

49. And they know they are feared so the keep buying more and more guns

and keep pushing and pushing because there is nothing to deturr them.

These idiots are simple: might makes right.

[oregonjen]

8. That's what I want to know

I don’t understand why? If every repub who was threatened by him stood up, at the same time and said enough, wouldn’t that take his power away?

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes, if even a fraction of America's 333 million people stood up to Trump

it would be over for him.

[birdographer]

51. As I mentioned somewhere earlier

If some ambitious lawyer would open a class action suit against Donnie, citizens of US vs Donnie, for emotional distress, which is a thing you can sue for, I have no doubt at least two million Americans would sign up to sue him. I'm sure would also donate to publicize it, billboards, mass mailings, etc. It would be nice if the American people could stand up to him. He doesn't own us and we aren't afraid of him. What a concept.

From Utah lawyers' site:
Emotional distress refers to the psychological or mental suffering experienced by an individual as a result of extreme or traumatic events, actions, or circumstances. It encompasses a wide range of negative emotions, such as fear, anxiety, grief, humiliation, and even shock. Keep in mind that emotional distress can vary in intensity and duration, and its effects can be deeply personal and subjective. Legal claims for emotional distress generally aim to seek compensation for the psychological harm suffered and to hold responsible parties accountable for their actions.

[dalton99a]

13. Because there is nothing in the Constitution that says "Donald John Trump cannot do XYZ"

Lawyers, judges, and legal scholars have looked in vain

[Irish_Dem]

17. Yep. Even though we have seen him commit crimes with our own eyes.

On TV and in his written posts.
And eye witnesses have verified the crimes.

And we know full well that if any of us had done a fraction of these crimes
we would have been in prison a long time ago.

The lawyers, judges, and legal scholars think we are stupid.

[usonian]

5. He and the magats are trying to shift the Overton Window.

Overton Window.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time. It is also known as the window of discourse.

Shift the discourse to one where mob violence becomes the norm. On orders from Putin and his army of media bots, the only army he has left.

Magat saboteurs in our midst.

[leftyladyfrommo]

14. You really think these people are capable of

thoughts and long range thinking like that?

Is there really some mad maestro that's pulling all the puppet strings?

[usonian]

15. They are long gone, but it's the media and the public who they are trying to condition to accept the unacceptable

as the "norm"

Everything they do and say benefits Putin. A war from within.

There's probably a money trail if you need proof, but hard to find.

The Mueller report was sabotaged by Barr for that very reason.

[Evolve Dammit]

36. Indeed. The Mueller report. We are not worthy of the truth. Right Garland?

[BootinUp]

21. Certainly it is Putin's strategy. nt

[CloudWatcher]

23. Yes actually

Putin has the long range planning and the money and the tools and the fools. His minions are amazingly successful in doing damage to the country: dividing us, destroying our faith in elections and the courts. We are ripe for a dictatorship and withdrawal from NATO and the world scene.

I just wonder how he hasn't laughed himself to death at the spectacle of his GOP circus.

[leftyladyfrommo]

26. Plus he suffers from short guy syndrome.

That probably doubles the danger.

[republianmushroom]

11. Courts, federal and state, Garland, it is time to see if we are "ALL" governed by the same laws.

[surfered]

16. He's polling great with the bullying crowd.

He’s given them license to do it, too.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

18. The asshole in the truck needs to have a talk with the Secret Service

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Lonestarblue]

27. Garland thinks Republicans won't like him anymore if he enforces those laws against Trump.

[triron]

38. But there are DUers who insist Trump didn't do anything wrong.

[Squaredeal]

19. Trump should be arrested, put in jail and answer to a judge after Easter. Where is the FBI?

[triron]

39. Why after Easter.?

[Sogo]

20. Lock Him Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trueblue Texan]

22. Presidential candidate or not...

....there is absolutely no reason we shouldn't expect the worst intentions from the only president who instigated an insurrection to stay in office after the American people voted him out.

He is an ever-increasing danger to peace in our nation and against our elected leaders!

LOCK HIM UP NOW!!! No more F*CKING excuses!

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. So Trump shared a video made by someone else

Has the original video creator been visited by the Secret Service?

Kathy Griffin got a visit when she took a photo with a decapitated Trump head.

John Schneider called for Biden to be hung, he got a visit from the Secret Service.

Many other non-celebrities made the news when the Secret Service investigated their threats against Biden, although those threats tended to be more specific and graphic than Schneider’s.

So, where is the line?

I don’t have the answer, but here is some background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_the_president_of_the_United_States

[triron]

40. Put Trump in jail. Then let his lawyers argue this in court.

Quit shitting all over ourselves

[barbtries]

28. i think it's time to consider some laws

against stochastic terrorism.

noun
the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted: The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism]

it would basically be a law against tsf of course. he's the worst possible offender.

[liberalhistorian]

32. I can see the NYT headline

now: "Would Biden's age make it more difficult for him to withstand such a scenario?"

[soldierant]

33. I also subscribe to Joyce Vance.

I didn' have to read very far down before I knew I'd better post the link tomorrow in the blog I inherited

Substack is available to everyone. What may look lke a paywal, isn't - you just click on the escape phrase (it differs, but two of their favorites are "Let me read it first" and "Continue reading." I'm not crazy about that, but I got over it and recommend getting over it. It seems like everyone worth reading is on Substack, or will be. Andy Borowitz just started there, and I learned today from Thom Hartmann that both he and Bandy Lee are there, besides Mary Trump.

[malaise]

34. THIS

Efuckingnough!

[CTyankee]

37. I love watching her. She is so good. One quibble, tho: check your spelling! The word is "rein" him in, not "reign" him

in. Excellent post, tho, as usual.

[3catwoman3]

52. That's not a quibble, at least not to me. Proper spelling does matter.

He needs to be reined in so he cannot reign.

[CTyankee]

55. Yes, Ma'am!

[Cha]

41. TY & Joyce VAnce! yes We Do!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. It is against the law to threaten the president of the United States with violence.

Link to tweet

[jalan48]

43. Just the latest thing we need to talk about. A week from now there will be an even bigger thing to talk about.

[Martin68]

45. Lock. Him. Up.

[kimbutgar]

46. There aren't enough horrible type adjectives to describe the orange maggot in the dictionary!

[Marcuse]

47. Bail. Revocation. Hearing

[SpankMe]

48. When Kathy Griffin did this, it almost cost her her career

But, the Orange Asshole ® does it, and it's free speech. That's why this country will be toast if he wins. We're almost toast anyway. But another Trump presidency will seal the deal.

[Thunderbeast]

53. A kidnapped Trump version of the graphic is available as well...

The easy proliferation of coarse mimes sometimes works both ways. How many Obama and Hillary t-shirts depicting them behind bars do you see. Same with Trump in an orange jumpsuit.

Joyce Vance lost her federal judge father to an assassin. Her plea is to bring some civility back to the conversation.

[no_hypocrisy]

54. Who will bell the cat?